C. S. Lewis and the Bible with Leslie Baynes

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Dan Beecher (2:52)

What do you think Lewis' response would be to the people who have taken him as their champion?

Leslie Baynes (2:58)

Oh my gosh.

Dan Beecher (2:59)

Because it doesn't seem like he would be happy about who it is that are most interested in grabbing him and using him.

Leslie Baynes (3:09)

He would despise it.

Dan McClellan (3:19)

Hey, everybody, I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (3:21)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (3:22)

And this is Data Over Dogma, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How are things today, Dan?

Dan Beecher (3:34)

Good, things are good.

We're out here combating misinformation, but this time, maybe it's not about the Bible. Maybe the misinformation will be combating, or maybe it is, actually, but it's from a very specific source. And to help us do it, we've brought a guest on. Why don't you, Dan, introduce our guest?

Dan McClellan (3:54)

This is Leslie Baynes. She is Professor of New Testament and Second Temple Judaism at Missouri State University, and I'm looking at the bio here. She has also served as scholar-in-residence at the Kilns, which is Lewis' home outside of Oxford, and as an Inklings Project Fellow, which reminds me of the days I used to spend at the Bird and Baby, where the eagle and child, the pub off, I think it's on Banbury, with the little plaque above one of the tables that mentions the Inklings used to hang out there until, if I recall the lore correctly, they got annoyed with how they were trying to commercialize their patronage and went across the street to the lamb and flag.

Leslie Baynes (4:44)

I think that's right. Yeah, they would meet various places, but the Bird and Baby, of course, is the big one.

Dan McClellan (4:51)

Yeah.

Leslie Baynes (4:51)

It shut down during COVID.

Dan McClellan (4:52)

It shut down, yes. I was there a couple years ago, and yeah, I was like, it's not even there anymore. I went over to the lamb and flag.