Building AI Agent Offices and the Compute Bubble Question

**Andy Halliday** (0:01)
So, I'm on $20 plans, and I am not running into token limits.

**Beth Lyons** (0:05)
How much I don't want to be monkey-finger.

**Andy Halliday** (0:09)
I would like to give the government 5% of the equity of.

**Beth Lyons** (0:16)
Hey, everybody. Good morning. Good morning. It is Thursday, July 2nd, and you are watching and listening to The Daily AI Show. I don't know right now what episode it is, the episode after yesterday and before tomorrow.
That's what I've got for you today.

**Andy Halliday** (0:36)
750 something.

**Beth Lyons** (0:39)
Okay. 750 something, we think.
My name is Beth Lyons. With me in the studio today is Andy Halliday. Thank you very much, Andy. How are you doing?

**Andy Halliday** (0:53)
I'm doing well. Thank you.

**Beth Lyons** (0:54)
Awesome.

**Andy Halliday** (0:55)
Busy days these days.

**Beth Lyons** (0:57)
Yeah.

**Andy Halliday** (1:00)
Taking as much time as I can to work on my AI projects, but I have many other responsibilities.

**Beth Lyons** (1:09)
Yeah. You have responsibilities that can't be put off. It's not like horses.
I'm just, I'm not going to do it today.

**Andy Halliday** (1:18)
I have many dependents and many dependencies. So I'm utterly dependent on all of that.

**Beth Lyons** (1:26)
Your interconnected world is very interconnected locally and also abroad. Well, awesome. I was saying before the show that I successfully set up a private Discord for Hermes and right now, Hermes and I to connect, but it will ultimately connect with Cloud Code as the agent from my computer that I'm on right now.

**Andy Halliday** (1:59)
That's very intriguing. So one of the things that the sort of claw revolution or the lobster revolution created was the idea that your AIs can be omnipresent with you through the various communication channels that you have, whether that's Slack or WhatsApp or Telegram. You pick your communication thing. I don't use Discord. I mean, I have an account on Discord, I'm a member of a bunch of different things.
But I don't ever open it up and I don't ever look at it. What is the advantage of using Discord as a platform for communications with multiple agents where you can invite multiple into that environment? Because it's a little bit different in my mind from, okay, I'm going to communicate with my agent using WhatsApp while I'm out and about with my mobile device. So I get that. And then the major players added direct communication through their mobile apps back to the agent in order to be able to maintain continuous interaction so that you can approve steps and so on while you're vibe coding.
Or watching while managed agents do their thing. Discord is a little different because it allows you to create a community. So I get that what you're doing is you're going to put multiple of your players in your system environment into the Discord so that they can talk to you and talk to each other.

**Beth Lyons** (3:37)
Yes, which is the point. The point is that they talk to each other because Codex is powering Hermes right now, and Cloud Code Opus is powering Cloud Code, Opus 4.8. So both of those, Codex 5.5 high maybe, both of them are at the high level. Both of those are very smart, very capable, and immediately go to give instructions when I say, hey, I just had a conversation with Hermes about something. Cloud Code immediately gives me instructions based on its context knowing me in our past history and everything that's put in its memory, about how it should happen. I said, NanoBanana, I said that Hermes and I talked about it. I was like, okay, well, I'm going to write you a handoff document to give to Hermes. I say, okay, Hermes, Claude Coad just wrote the handoff document. Here you go. How does that relate to your thing? Okay, you need to tell Claude Coad that I'm the orchestrator and that's just the work. I'm like, no, I am now, and for a long time setting this up, I am the embodiment of monkey fingers.
I am saying, here you go, I copied this. This is what Claude Coad said.
I have to say that this was a slog. This was a big, long slog, and Claude was basically saying, okay, so we got this far. It's midnight, you need to go to bed. I'm like, no, just give me the instructions for this. I was like, I am not leaving until the two of you have central communication where you can exchange information and knowledge.
I think you are not understanding how much I don't want to be monkey fingers.

**Andy Halliday** (5:49)