Brian Armstrong on Bitcoin, Anthropic Drops Fable 5 & Mythos 5, NewLimit's $435M Age-Reversal | EP #264

**Peter Diamandis** (0:00)
Citibank projects a Bitcoin price reaching as much as 189,000 by the end of 2026

**Brian Armstrong** (0:07)
Bitcoin is the new digital gold. I think it's going to be a key part of our economy going forward into the future.

**Peter Diamandis** (0:13)
I remember it was supposed to be countercyclical. Is that still valid?

**Brian Armstrong** (0:17)
The reason that Bitcoin has been down, everyone's been trying to figure that out.

**Peter Diamandis** (0:22)
Anthropic launches Fable 5 and Mythos 5

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (0:25)
Very impressive release. Anthropic is back in the lead now.

**Dave Blundin** (0:29)
Alex is constantly posting on our internal feed. It's happening. It's happening. I mean, it's really happening now. This is, oh my God.

**Peter Diamandis** (0:36)
So while we have Brian, congratulations on your recent raise at New Limit, $435 million to push us towards age reversal.

**Brian Armstrong** (0:46)
So at New Limit, we're trying to do half of what Shenya Yamanaka did. We don't want to change the type of the cell. We just want to change the age. We've actually been able to demonstrate successful reprogramming of human cells now in our first drug candidates going into the clinic next year, and we're simply followed by a bunch more.

**Peter Diamandis** (0:59)
When do we hit LEV?

**Brian Armstrong** (1:01)
Okay, so that's a complex topic. I think...

**Dave Blundin** (1:07)
Now that's a moonshot, ladies and gentlemen.

**Peter Diamandis** (1:12)
Welcome to Moonshots, everyone, the number one show in all things AI and exponential tech. I'm here with my moonshot mates, Salim Ismail, Professor of EXO. Salim, where on the planet are you today?

**Salim Ismail** (1:24)
If I look out the window, I'm in Vegas. I just spoke at a Zscaler Crypto Cyber event because they're freaking out in their world.
I saw this fear for the first time, which is the most incredible thing.

**Peter Diamandis** (1:38)
Amazing.
Of course, AWG are resident, triple major genius. Alex, how about you?

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (1:45)
I'm at my family beach house on Long Island.

**Peter Diamandis** (1:49)
Doing deep research, no doubt.

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (1:52)
The work doesn't stop, however, the orchids do.

**Peter Diamandis** (1:56)
Dave Blundin, our resident wizard of AI investing. Today, it's a real pleasure to have a friend, a brilliant and prolific Brian Armstrong, CEO of Coinbase and co-founder of New Limit. I'm Peter Diamandis, your host and provocateur of all things, Abundance.
Where are you today, Brian?

**Brian Armstrong** (2:17)
I'm in the Coinbase office in San Francisco.

**Peter Diamandis** (2:20)
Nice. Well, thanks for joining us. A lot of news. I'm looking forward to getting your take on. You know, just to give a quick summary, we have a packed program today. We're going to kick it off with a deep dive into Bitcoin and agents. The close of the show, we're going to dive into Longevin Epigenetic Reprogramming. In the interim, we're going to cover Trump's appetite for Frontier Lab Equity, OpenAI's IPO, Mythos 5, Elon's announcement of his AI-1 ginormous satellites. Our promise, no politics, no doom, just the science, tech and investments accelerating us towards a singularity. Hopefully, making this the most exciting time ever for you guys to be alive.
Before we jump into our first story, we actually have an intro music. Brian, we have an incredible fun community of creators, and they typically give us outro songs. This time, we've got an intro song called Moonshots Intro. Let's take a listen.
I think this could be the greatest accelerator for human knowledge yet. It's a moonshot.

**Salim Ismail** (3:20)
Well, look, if you want to transform the world, you have to go out into the world.

**Dave Blundin** (3:23)
Cut costs dramatically. You can automate. You can expand your market share. The race is on.

**Salim Ismail** (3:28)
Now, the valuable thing is curation and attention.

**Alexander Wissner-Gross** (3:30)
When you're in the midst of a singularity, breakthroughs that are happening essentially every week feel prosaic.

**Dave Blundin** (3:37)
And that's the moonshot, ladies and gentlemen.

**Peter Diamandis** (3:39)
And thank you to Francis Coyne for that. All right, so let's jump into our first story for the day here.
It's about Bitcoin. So, here we go. Citibank projects a Bitcoin price reaching as much as $189,000 by the end of 2026 Brian, loved your quote. Bitcoin is going to do great and is as important as ever. So here's what I find fascinating. It's like an institutional flip. Five years ago, the largest banks were calling Bitcoin rat poison, and now Citibank is publishing prices that look like Apple stock.
Brian, you want to give us a little bit of overview of what you're seeing? We've just maybe bottomed out at 60 What are you thinking about Bitcoin these days?