Bibliomancy! The Biblical Dance with the Devil?

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Dan Beecher (2:00)

The likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth. Well, that couldn't be more clear. Thank you, Bible, for that.

Dan McClellan (2:18)

Hey, everybody. I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (2:19)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (2:21)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma Podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion and combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How go things today, Dan?

Dan Beecher (2:33)

Things are good. Things are good. We are, if you're in our timeline, just about to set out into the second leg of our big tour. And if you're in the listener's timeline, we've gotten home, everything went great. There were definitely no problems flying or anything like that.

Dan McClellan (2:58)

No problems with the speakers, no problems with the microphones, no problems with anything.

Dan Beecher (3:03)

Everything went great.

Dan McClellan (3:04)

Yeah, we signed some books, we kissed some hands and shake some babies, and everybody enjoyed it a great deal.

Dan Beecher (3:14)

You know what that is? That is prophesying. We are prophets.

Dan McClellan (3:18)

Well, yeah, and provided everything does work out, then we are true prophets.

Dan Beecher (3:22)

Yeah, exactly.

Dan McClellan (3:23)

Which is better than a lot of folks can say whose work ended up in the Bible.

Dan Beecher (3:29)

Yeah. Well, speaking of the Bible, how interesting that you brought that up, because we've got a whole show about it. And so the first thing we're going to talk about is we're going to make you go head to head with one Charles Xavier Kirk. Charlie Kirk.

Dan McClellan (3:47)

Tiberius, Charles Tiberius.

Dan Beecher (3:49)

That's right. Kirk. If you don't know Charlie Kirk, good. Keep on not knowing him.

He's not going to give you anything that's worth anything. But we're going to do a taking issue with Charlie and ethnocentrism. And then we're going to, then in the latter half of the show, we're going to do a what is that? And we're going to talk about Bibliomancy. So get yourself some spooky clothes on and maybe dim the lights and we'll get all kinds of spooky about it. That's going to be a lot of fun. But first, let's take issue.

And the thing we're taking issue with is, you know, there was a video that we found that they had Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk, what he does, he loves to go to like college campuses. And then he sits there with a microphone and he puts a microphone up for students to come up and challenge him on stuff. And inevitably, he's loaded for bear. He has been studying to have these interactions. He knows what he wants to say. And these kids are just kids. You know, this isn't their field of study. They haven't been prepping for this. So he gish gallops over them, says a whole bunch of stuff. You know, they think they're coming in hot. And then he actually has what sound like pretty good answers for them. And they get put in their place. And of course, he only releases the video of the ones that he's happy about. So this one, this particular video, he is asked about being a Christian nationalist and specifically about how, you know, the young man that's asking him the question is self-identifies as Christian and says, how do you reconcile trying to sort of, as a Christian, trying to take over the levers of power in the government when it seems like Christianity, the word of Jesus, is specifically against that.