Ben Shapiro Admits His Biggest Blind Spot | PBD Podcast #842

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:00)
You were a hero, and then all of a sudden, you became a villain.

**Ben Shapiro** (0:05)
I see myself as the same person I always was.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:07)
Who do you think had the biggest impact of you becoming a villain?

**Ben Shapiro** (0:10)
Let's say, for example, October 7th somehow made me a villain.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:15)
Do you think you have any blind spots? Tucker said MAGA was betrayed.

**Ben Shapiro** (0:19)
Giant fishers that have emerged inside the conservative movement.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:22)
They don't trust JD because they think JD's been compromised.

**Ben Shapiro** (0:24)
If that's what JD Vance gets for all of his loyalty to Tucker Carlson, that'd be kind of astonishing.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:28)
They respect you, but they love him.

**Ben Shapiro** (0:30)
I would rather say 100% of the truth.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:33)
I believe Daily Wire without Ben Shapiro shuts down the next day.

**Ben Shapiro** (0:37)
When Jeremy and Caleb fired Candace, I thought they should have publicly explained why they fired Candace. Well, I think that it is evil what Candace Owens has done to Charlie Kirk's family. I've taken a bunch of positions that my audience does not like, including the position that Donald Trump did not win the 2020 election.

**Patrick Bet-David** (0:49)
You had a vaccine position as well.

**Ben Shapiro** (0:50)
Please ask me about vaccine. For the love of God, there are certain bright lines I will not cross, and one of those bright lines I will not lie. I won't do it.
I've been labeled alt-right a thousand times wrongly because the alt-right despises me.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:01)
Oh, Nick Fuentes, did you ever have him on?

**Ben Shapiro** (1:03)
Would I ever have him on? I mean, it depends.
If he weren't, the answer is...

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:10)
So do you think there is a growing problem on the right? A civil war is brewing in the republic...

**Ben Shapiro** (1:15)
Transgressive politics is always attractive to young people, whether it's Hassan Piker saying he loves Mao on the left or whether it's Fuentes saying he loves Hitler on the right. You joke about Hitler, you joke about Hitler, and at a certain point you're like, am I really joking about Hitler or was he really kind of okay? Piers is trying to pin him down on his beliefs about the Holocaust and so what Nick does is he immediately launches into a bunch of jokes about the Holocaust. Is everyone smarter for having heard that? I think actually everyone might be stupider for having heard this.

**Patrick Bet-David** (1:36)
Do you think there's a net positive to society with Piers Morgan's show?

**Ben Shapiro** (1:39)
I said that he's basically the Jerry Springer of political talk. Here's a five person panel and here's Hitler and here's Air Bud. Now I would say that mostly what Piers acts like on his show is a slightly foolish child.
I mean, come on.

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:22)
I said this before. So Ben, I guess we're doing this.

**Ben Shapiro** (2:29)
Yeah, why not?

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:30)
Yeah, we're doing this. I know the first time we sat down was in your LA studio in 2018
And then that was the podcast we did when I asked you, I said, so who do you think is going to be a president in 2022? You know, 2020 You said, I think Joe Biden's got a chance of becoming a president. And then next time around, I came to you, we did a podcast in the great city of Boca. And then we're doing it here, part three with the two of us. So I appreciate you making the time to come down here.

**Ben Shapiro** (2:53)
Thank you for having me, I appreciate it. And I think- It's a very cool studio, by the way.

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:55)
Well, thank you. You guys were playing basketball.

**Ben Shapiro** (2:58)
Much more fun than our studio.

**Patrick Bet-David** (2:59)
Right before, you guys need to know this, Ben asked for tissue because in case he gets emotional, so we brought him some tissue. Adam was here since four o'clock in the morning, waiting for you. He doesn't get here at nine o'clock, but he wanted to see you. But open question for you to think about. When I talk to kids, when I talk to folks who are in their 30s or 40s, and I'll say, what was your transition of becoming a conservative? Why I used to be a liberal and all this stuff? I don't know how many of them will tell you. I watched Ben Shapiro. I was watching Ben Shapiro, who was the OG guy on campuses before Crowder, or Charlie was Ben. Ben, the first time I watched him on Pierce Morgan a month after Sandy Hook when he talked about, hey, it's not about the semi-automatic weapons, why don't you take the guns? And you brought him the Constitution. Oh, that went viral. Or, hey, the guy that puts his arm on your shoulder and you say, that's mildly inappropriate. The transgender role, Kate Lynn Jenner, and I think that was Dr. Drew, and then the physicist, I'm a mathematician, you are not a biologist, all these clips that would go.