'BASTARD' & 'GOBLIN' by Tyler The Creator | Last Song Standing (E1)

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Cole Cuchna (1:12)

Welcome, everyone, to Last Song Standing. I'm Cole Cuchna.

Charles Holmes (1:14)

And I'm Charles Holmes. And today, we're back with our fifth season, The Artist May Change, but our task stays the same. On this show, Cole and I argue our way through an artist's entire catalog in order to crown their single greatest song of all time, AKA, The Last Song Standing.

Cole Cuchna (1:30)

In past seasons, we've covered Kendrick Lamar, Frank Ocean, Outkast and most recently, we switched things up and debated the best album of the 21st century so far, ultimately crowning the greatest project of the last 25 years.

Charles Holmes (1:43)

But today, the LSS boys begin a new journey, a journey into the discography of one of the most talented and at times controversial artists of the modern era. Cole, bro, it's been so long in person. How have you been?

Cole Cuchna (2:12)

Beautiful, Charles. It's always good to see you. Fresh fit on. You always got the fresh fade.

Charles Holmes (2:16)

I had to. You don't even want to know how much the rise in gas prices in the economy has affected the haircut, the fade in LA.

It's bonkers, but I do have news for you. I don't know if you've noticed I'm a little bit more Zen. Guess what I've been dabbling into? Some transcendental meditation.

Cole Cuchna (2:36)

Shut up.

Charles Holmes (2:37)

I kid you not, bro. I'm doing 20 minutes every day. I'm trying to get it up to two times a day.

Cole Cuchna (2:42)

That's beautiful. It's inspiring.

Charles Holmes (2:43)

I was reading David Lynch's book on it, watching some YouTube videos, really getting in there, bro.

Cole Cuchna (2:49)

Do you do it with music or just silence?

Charles Holmes (2:51)

I sit in silence. I have a little keyword that helps me, not connected to anything, but hone in, let my mind roam and get into the unified field of existence, bro.

Cole Cuchna (3:08)

Can you share the keyword or is that private?

Charles Holmes (3:10)

That's private. It's not that important, but I've singled out on one.

A lot of people are like, you should go to a Transcendental Center and once I have time to do that, I will. But I'm feeling good, bro. My mind is expanding.

Cole Cuchna (3:26)

You look great.

Charles Holmes (3:26)

Thank you.

Cole Cuchna (3:27)

I'm very excited to start this journey. Would you say Tyler The Creator's music puts you in a Transcendental meditative state?

Charles Holmes (3:34)

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely not. I was like, there were times when I was about to meditate and I'd been listening to Tyler and I had to shut it. I had to put on some Fiona Apple. I really just had to be like, especially the early albums we're talking about, very aggressive and I'm like, this is not putting me in a creative space.

Cole Cuchna (3:55)

All right. Well, Tyler The Creator, our journey begins here.

Charles Holmes (3:58)

Yep.

Cole Cuchna (3:59)

Curious. What is your relationship to Tyler The Creator's music?

Charles Holmes (4:04)

Complicated.

Cole Cuchna (4:04)

Okay.

Charles Holmes (4:05)

We are around the same age and I would say Tyler is one of those artists where I was there from the beginning. In a similar way that like I was there for Kanye West or Childish Gambino or any of these other artists that have defined the 21st century. I remember being there for Tyler. I remember Bastard. I remember the stuff that happened before Bastard. I remember them, Odd Future, Haji Beats, all of them going to the Jimmy Fallon show, the Free Earl shit. And I think my relationship with Tyler has changed as I've gotten older and as he's gotten older. But you're obviously a Tyler fan, Odd Future fan. You've done seasons on Tyler, Frank Ocean.