BARD - Patrick Clancy’s First MAJOR Interview

SPEAKER_1 (0:04)

This is Reasonable Doubt, with your hosts Mark Geragos and Gary Smith.

Mark Geragos (0:11)

Well, happy Sunday. It's not Gary Smith, it's Lauren Conlin, looking ever-vessant as usual on this Sunday morning at the Temple of Bard. You know, I've had a couple of thoughts, but I think given where your life has been in the last seven or eight weeks, to not talk about what is going to drop later today, which is the Patrick Clancy 60 Minutes interview, I think would probably do an injustice to you.

Lauren Conlin (0:40)

Well, it's funny. I've been doing these updates on Clancy, and I actually said last week on LA Magazine's YouTube, I actually said, I hope this is the last update I have for you all, until September 29th or until after, because I can't believe we're still in this world, but here we are between this interview coming up, and also, last episode, I was very upset about the juror doxing, and I still feel the same way, but now I'm kind of turning this corner where I'm feeling strange about all these photos released of him holding babies and with like halos around him, and I'm just like, what are we doing here now? Now I'm like, can we just stop and be regular people and just kind of move on? I'm confused.

Mark Geragos (1:29)

I'm very interested. We'll see how this ages in what the interview says. And I'm hopeful that they ask Patrick Clancy and his wife, if they think that this was spawned by the fact that only the people in the courtroom could hear the 911 call. Because as I said before, and during the trial, and as I think a number of the jurors have said, since they've been interviewed, only somebody who couldn't hear the 911 call could come up or go down this rabbit hole of...

Lauren Conlin (2:06)

You mean about blaming Patrick?

Mark Geragos (2:07)

About blaming him, saying that he was the one. Because by all accounts, and I talked to people who were in the courtroom and listened to it, that once you heard that, there is no way that you could think that that was anything but just the most gut-wrenching, guttural, primal reaction.

Lauren Conlin (2:28)

I heard the same, and I was not in the courtroom yet. And I think for me, I'm almost grateful I wasn't at this point. I get very emotional about that stuff, obviously, as a parent as well. And as press, as media, I mean, it's your job to remain stoic there. So I can imagine it was very challenging for everybody. I mean, I'm involved, but I mean...

Mark Geragos (2:54)

You know, I had a... Just thinking of things you can't unsee or unhear once you know. I was sitting in a courtroom many years ago with Lainey Sweet, who was the widow of Daniel Shaver, who was executed in the hallway in Arizona by the, I think it was the Mesa PD. And she had kind of worked assiduously to avoid watching the body cam of her husband get killed in the hallway and, but she was attending the preliminary hearing and I was there with her of the criminal case against the officer who was later acquitted. And they played and they were very good about it. Unlike some prosecutors, they had warned us that they were going to play it. And she said, I think I'm ready in a long period of time. And she had dealt with it and they played that. And she started convulsing and I kind of bear hugged her and her convulsions, her emotion kind of electrified or my body as well.

And I still remember to this day, and even when somebody, for instance, tweets at me about that, with that body cam, I get that same kind of PTSD, if you will, from it, because you react to it, you hear it, you can't get around it. I would imagine for you, mother of boys, that it's just, boy, mom, it's just gotta be awful to even conceptualize it.

Lauren Conlin (4:26)

Well, I have a question for you, and I've thought about this because I have not experienced a case where, you know, I've been in court where they impound the autopsy photos, or there are certain things that are never going to get released to the public, even decades later, let's say.

All 911 calls are distressing. Again, we are told this is just next level because of the children involved. How do you get something like this, you know, I guess blocked from the public? Like the judge makes the decision, but I just I don't see a lot of this because I do feel like I think it came from the family as well.