BARD - CLANCY JUROR FALLOUT: Breaking Down the Lindsay Clancy Mistrial Drama

Mark Geragos (0:03)

This is Reasonable Doubt, with your hosts, Mark Geragos and Gary Smith.

Mark Geragos (0:09)

And the lovely LA Magazine contributor, Lauren Conlin, sitting in for Gary Smith.

SPEAKER_3 (0:16)

Lauren, how are you this wonderful Sunday morning?

Lauren Conlin (0:19)

I'm great. I'm great. I miss you. It's been a while. We've both been very, very busy, but it's nice to sit down, catch up, and I feel like we have a lot to talk about over the circus that has become the aftermath of the Lindsay Clancy trial. I truly think it's become a circus, Mark.

Mark Geragos (0:40)

I called this in other places upside down world, and this is what I mean by that. Upside down world is as a criminal defense lawyer, you kind of, at least I have, have had so many experiences with 11 to 1

What I'm talking about is the hung juries and mistrials. 11 to 1 if you're a criminal defense lawyer, and I've talked previously about some rather famous 11 to 1s for not guilty, but the overwhelming number of them are 11 to 1 for guilt. And the one lone holdout is a not guilty. And upside down world is what is happening right now from the defense standpoint with the one juror, and we're obviously talking about Lindsay Clancy, and 11 to 1 for not guilty. And take it away, Lauren, because some of what's happening is wild.

Lauren Conlin (1:43)

Yeah. And I got to ask you a few things. I've been wanting to get your take on some of the statements made by Kevin Reddington. Which at the time, I didn't think they were problematic. And now that we're seemingly in this whole other realm of certain things happening, I'm coming back around, I'm doing a boomerang here, and I'm like, it's not necessarily his fault. I've seen people say that. I don't think it's his fault. And I'll explain what I'm talking about, I promise. But I want to hear what you have to say. But no, what has happened in the last week, if anyone is unaware, there were three female jurors that came forward on NBC. And then there was an additional female juror on WBZ. Now the female juror that came forward on WBZ did not share her name, she did not share her face, she did this audio, and they kind of even disguised her voice a little. Then another man came forward, another juror on ABC. And then lastly, what kind of started this whole explosion, if you will, over the weekend is one of the female jurors from NBC went over to CBS and did an interview with Gail King, where Gail King, I don't think this juror, this woman, Paula, was going to come out and say who the lone juror was. However, Gail King pressed her and asked her after she told her a description of all the jurors and how there was only one man of color, which I can attest to because I watch this man Mark every day, I had a perfect view of him and he was very expressive. She reveals that the lone or holdout juror was the person of color.

What has happened since then has been so upsetting to me. I mean, I was beside myself.

NBC on Friday. Yeah, go ahead.

Mark Geragos (3:33)

You know that I've often said this to anybody who knows me, that one of the things that I'm obsessed with and I try to fight against it almost, but it's an attractive nuisance, so to speak. I can't resist is watching jurors during the trial because obviously, right, you feel it. First of all, you feel a kinship to them.

If you're trying the case, I assume the same thing. If you're observing the case when you're watching the trial. I, from what you've told me, this juror, Kevin Reddington, and I don't want to psychoanalyze him because I wasn't in the courtroom. But there's part of me that thinks he feels almost betrayed by this guy in the sense, okay, you know what I'm talking about.

Lauren Conlin (4:20)

No, I know. And I don't know why. So, and this is also my fault when I tweet stuff, I guess. I'm thinking, oh, this is going to go to my followers. They're going to know what I'm talking about because I've been sharing observations about jurors. I've been sharing not what I think, only what they are doing, because clearly I have been wrong about what I thought in my brain about what these jurors were thinking. And so the holdout juror, when I found out it was him, I literally said to my husband, I said, I would have bet our car and our home it wasn't, and I would have lost it because the other jurors described this man early in the week as being arrogant, not like scrolling on his phone during deliberations. Now the man I saw in the courtroom, you know, I wasn't in the deliberation room. Things can change, Mark.