BAES 157: Anthropic is Too Powerful, SpaceX Updates artwork

BAES 157: Anthropic is Too Powerful, SpaceX Updates

The Ben and Emil Show

June 18, 2026

Mommy and daddy are fighting! Except it's Anthropic and the United States Government lmfao. We're diving into the nitty gritty drama of why Trump's administration and Anthropic are having major issues. PLUS, everything you need to know about SpaceX and how it could break the market.
Speakers: Ben, Emil
**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
So you're saying with Hilton Honors, I can use points for a free night stay anywhere?

**Ben** (0:04)
Anywhere.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:06)
What about fancy places like the Canopy in Paris? Yeah, Hilton Honors, baby. Or relaxing sanctuaries like the Conrad and Tulum?

**Emil** (0:13)
Hilton Honors, baby.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:15)
What about the five-star Waldorf Astoria in the Maldives? Are you gonna do this for all 9,000 properties?

**SPEAKER_4** (0:22)
When you want points that can take you anywhere, anytime, it matters where you stay. Hilton for the stay.

**Ben** (0:28)
So here's the tea, fam. Administration says that Anthropic failed to honor a recent cyber executive order. Anthropic screwed us after we gave them a chance. They claim that Anthropic knew a jailbreak could happen and distributed Fable anyway.

**Emil** (0:44)
This whole, this new era is so disorienting where they basically are like, I don't know, this could be the one. The Chinese get their hands on this?
Good luck. And I'm like, all right, all right.

**Ben** (0:55)
They told the thing, review the code for security issues. And Fable said, no, I'm not going to do that. That's against the rules. I'm not going to do that. So then instead of saying, review the code for security issues, they then just said, fix this code. And it went, okay.
Well, now that you put it like that.

**Emil** (1:11)
Companies, NVIDIA, Adobe, Zoom, whoever being like, you're putting our entire infrastructure at risk.

**Ben** (1:18)
Yeah.

**Emil** (1:19)
I'm like, it's been a week. Yeah.

**Ben** (1:20)
No kidding.

**Emil** (1:21)
You didn't have this tech a week ago.

**Ben** (1:23)
There's a lot of, if you're wondering, what are the capabilities of Fable? I think someone asked it to create like a Hogwarts entire open.

**Emil** (1:31)
Did you see the guy who was basically putting out a call to people saying, let's create Grand Theft Auto. Grand Theft Auto 6 before Grand Theft Auto 6 comes out. He put out the most rude, it's like a literal ball to signify the character.

**Ben** (1:46)
Check it out, guys.

**Emil** (1:48)
Basically a blank world. He's like, I know I haven't gotten very far, but if we all put our minds together, it's like, buddy, I don't think you're going to accomplish anything.

**Ben** (1:55)
It's like, wow, the ball's bouncing. Cool, dude.
Hey everybody, whoa, welcome back. Oh my God, what an episode we've got for you today. We're talking about, all about the thing.

**Emil** (2:32)
We got a quick war update.

**Ben** (2:33)
War update.

**Emil** (2:34)
Quick war update. We'll see what happens there.

**Ben** (2:36)
We got war update.

**Emil** (2:37)
We got big SpaceX update.

**Ben** (2:39)
Big SpaceX update.

**Emil** (2:39)
We've minted our first trillionaire, and we're happy about it.

**Ben** (2:44)
Yeah, we're so happy about it. And also, it could theoretically break the stock market or change it irreparably forever.

**Emil** (2:51)
I'm happy about it.

**Ben** (2:52)
I'll tell you about that. And then we've got Anthropic versus the United States Government. The Government and Anthropic are in the middle of a bit of a catfight.

**Emil** (3:01)
Who you got? Dario Amadei?

**Ben** (3:04)
I got Dario. Or Donald Trump Sr. He's younger.

**Emil** (3:08)
He's younger, but he's very, he's got kind of a tepid vibe.

**Ben** (3:12)
Dario?

**Emil** (3:13)
Every time I see him in an interview, he's like, well, I guess.

**Ben** (3:17)
He looks like one of those free condoms.

**Emil** (3:20)
Free condoms.

**Ben** (3:21)
Yeah, just like a free European condom.
Think about it. Anyway, we got that. We're going to be talking about that because it's fascinating stuff. And it basically boils down to, they're like a married couple that's on the rocks. They need to be communicating.

**Emil** (3:38)
But ultimately, they need each other.

**Ben** (3:40)
They do need each other. In the bonus, we got the Q&A, benandemilshow.com. We got the comment of the week coming.

**Emil** (3:46)
There's some good questions. There's one question I'm especially excited about.

**Ben** (3:50)
There you have it, folks. And we've got a full and jam effing packed bonus episode. There's a lot to get to today. Before we do that, we have to tell you that the Chase Sapphire Preferred Card, that's the one that's only $95.99.

**Emil** (4:07)
That's like my daily driver. I've been using it. I love that thing.

**Ben** (4:10)
You do be loving that thing.

**Emil** (4:12)
I've been using it for over a decade, and it's like you said, $95. A lot of these things are like $800 a year, and it makes it so hard to justify. This one has so much stuff, and the best part is they don't often do this. Right now it's 100,000 points.

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