Anthropic vs. The Pentagon, Claude Outpaces ChatGPT, and Consulting Gets Replaced | #234

Peter Diamandis (0:00)

Big news this week. There's been a battle between Anthropic and the Pentagon, the War Department, demands Anthropic remove AI safeguards for surveillance and autonomous weapons. Dario is refusing to do that.

Alexander Wissner-Gross (0:13)

The Pentagon would like to be able to not just control any legal usage of models that they've paid for, but also would like to shape the cultural values. We're going to see quite a bit more of that.

Peter Diamandis (0:26)

Anthropic is generating more revenue than OpenAI by tenfold. So check out this chart.

Salim Ismail (0:30)

Agents monetize faster than chatbots.

Alexander Wissner-Gross (0:33)

I think this is less about chatbots versus agents. I think this is more about consumer versus enterprise.

Peter Diamandis (0:40)

Salim, I'm curious about your point of view here. You and I have both spoken at all the major consulting firm. I have to say the last few events that I've spoken to, the leadership teams, they've been scared shitless.

Salim Ismail (0:53)

We need to rebuild every institution and re-architect every institution by which we run the world. And that is the biggest advisory opportunity in the history of mankind.

Dave Blundin (1:04)

Now that's the Moonshot, ladies and gentlemen.

Peter Diamandis (1:09)

So I just want to hit this, that analogy again, because it's really important. You know, 66 million years ago, this massive 10 kilometer size asteroid strikes the earth and it changes the environment so rapidly that the slow lumbering dinosaurs go extinct. They can't evolve. They can't get out of their own way. But it's the agile furry little mammals that evolve into us human beings. And of course, the asteroid striking the planet today is AI, exponential technologies, and you have a choice, be agile and evolve or die.

Pretty appropriate. Hey guys, good to see you all.

Salim Ismail (1:49)

Howdy. Likewise.

Peter Diamandis (1:50)

Are you back in the States? Back in the States and excited for our adventure. You know, we've gotten to the pace now where we're recording two of these WTF Moonshot episodes every week. And that's fun because I love getting ready for them and love spending time with you guys. So for all our subscribers out there, if you haven't subscribed, turn on notifications, subscribe and we'll let you know when these episodes drop. Are you guys ready to jump in?

Dave Blundin (2:18)

Absolutely, always ready.

Peter Diamandis (2:20)

Awesome. Awesome. All right. Let's do this thing. We're going to start in your homeland, Salim, India. This was a pretty epic event. This is, I think, the third or fourth of the AI Impact summits. This took place in India a couple of weeks ago. Here in this image, we're seeing all of the top AI leaders, Dario, Brad Smith from Microsoft, Alexander Wang, Sundar, Prime Minister Modi, Sam Altman, Demis. We are not seeing Elon. That's interesting. And I would have thought that we would have seen Mikesh Ambani on the stage. We don't see him there. But what an incredible group of individuals.

Salim Ismail (3:03)

I had a couple of thoughts around this. One was India did a brilliant job positioning itself as AI neutral. And I think that's a really, really awesome strategy. It also shows that AI leadership is not just Silicon Valley. It's kind of multipolar.

And when you get heads of state along with AI CEOs, this is like we're renegotiating civilizational architecture here. So this is a very, very big deal. Nation states are becoming hyperscalers, and hyperscalers are kind of deeply wiring into nation states. So there's a huge, that's a Dion Francis observation, which I think is going to be really powerful going forward.

Dave Blundin (3:44)

Well, Salim, I'd love to get your take on the, there seems to be a pivot, a big pivot, where if I look at the events that Dario and Sam went to over the last two years, there was always big money. We went to Saudi, we went to Dubai, we went to Davos, they're always looking for money. Now they seem to be fully tanked up, and they're very concerned about global impact. So they're not promoting constantly anymore, they're much more soft selling. They clearly were in the middle of the singularity, AI is getting scary in a little bit, instead of just racing in enthusiasm every day. And now it's like, oh wow, what have we created here? And worried about India, 1.4 billion people, I think they're out there partially out of genuine concern for how is this gonna play out. What do you think?

Salim Ismail (4:31)

That plus a land grab, I mean, whoever gets those, the majority of those 1.4 billion people will win bigly.

Dave Blundin (4:40)