And Do What?

**Casey Liss** (0:00)
How's things?

**Marco Arment** (0:01)
I just basically ran into the room, so.

**Casey Liss** (0:04)
Good busy is better than not busy, I would argue.

**Marco Arment** (0:06)
Yeah, I think so.
I am never bored. Like, when was the last time either of you were bored?

**Casey Liss** (0:13)
Oof, legitimately bored?

**John Siracusa** (0:15)
Yeah. Sometimes on plane flights, I get bored, because I can't do anything on plane flights. Like, I can't watch a movie, I can only listen to podcasts. And sometimes, if it's a long plane flight, like, you're podcasted out, and then what's left?

**Marco Arment** (0:26)
That's fair, yeah.

**John Siracusa** (0:27)
And the thing about planes, too, is like, why don't you talk to the person next to you? I cannot hear a damn thing on planes. Like, it's so, forget about the noise-canceling headphones. Just trying to have a conversation with the person next to me is like, I feel like I'm shouting, we're in a club, no, no, none of us want to be here, let's go somewhere quiet, but there's nowhere to go.

**Marco Arment** (0:42)
Well, also, like, the person next to you does not want that, ever. Like, they want to do their-

**John Siracusa** (0:46)
I'm talking about my wife.

**Marco Arment** (0:47)
Oh, okay, well.

**Casey Liss** (0:47)
Well, that may be true.

**Marco Arment** (0:48)
Maybe.

**John Siracusa** (0:49)
That may be true, but still. Oh, because she's got stuff to do. She's got a knitting project, she's watching a movie, like, having a ball and you have to stare out the window at the horizon. So it kind of sucks.

**Marco Arment** (0:59)
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I just I realize like, you know, because of course, whenever you are around, you know, children and especially teenagers, you you will frequently hear the complaint of bored.
And this seems to be something that only children really have, because like with every spare moment of time, I'm either choosing to do nothing, like if I need to, like if I need a break, like I'm going to stop and just watch TV for the rest of the night or whatever, or there's a million things I want to do with every ounce of time I have. Like I have so many projects going always all at once. I'm juggling a million different things. I have computer projects. I have 3D printing projects. Of course, I have like, you know, my actual work, my programming projects, multiple programming projects. I have the restaurant now, which is open for the season. Like I have so many things going on all the time. There's a million things around my house that need to be done, like different projects and tasks and cleanups and everything.

**John Siracusa** (1:55)
You're saying there's a million things you haven't done?

**Marco Arment** (1:57)
Is that a reference to something?

**John Siracusa** (1:59)
Just you wait.

**Casey Liss** (2:00)
Well done, John. Well done.

**Marco Arment** (2:02)
See, whatever that is, I have to watch or listen to or experience that.

**John Siracusa** (2:05)
It's fine. It's fine. Just keep just keep going.

**Casey Liss** (2:07)
You've seen Hamilton. You just didn't pluck it out.

**Marco Arment** (2:09)
I have not seen Hamilton.

**Casey Liss** (2:10)
You haven't seen Hamilton?

**John Siracusa** (2:12)
I know I keep making Hamilton references, but very frequently Marco says things that are so close to Hamilton. I'm just like, come on, they can't be. Anyway.

**Marco Arment** (2:19)
Sorry.

**John Siracusa** (2:20)
Then you.

**Marco Arment** (2:21)
That's it. Like I've just I've I've never.
The idea of being bored is so incredibly foreign to me. Like I I just don't I haven't been bored in a decade.

**Casey Liss** (2:30)
Yeah, I feel like my recollection of summers, particularly around around either Declan or Adams ages was and I had friends that I would like play with or hang out with, depending on how old we're talking about. But I remember summers just being defined by boredom. Now, that was still better than being in school and bored.
But I remember just being so bored. And I feel like I could have done, within reason, whatever the crap I wanted. Like my family growing up was not super into limiting like video games or anything like that. Like I could have done whatever. And constantly I remember whining to my mother, I'm bored. Like, I don't know what my deal was, man. But yep, I hear you.

**Marco Arment** (3:10)
Well, I think you were a normal teenager. Like that's just, or a normal kid. But whatever age we're targeting here, I think it's maybe less so with teenagers because they are more easily able to find their own stuff or talk to their friends.