**Jeetu Patel** (0:00)
Survival of humanity depends on a successful AI. Birth rates are going down. If you have 60% of your population where you don't have enough people to take care of them, that could cause a lot of human suffering. When I got this new job, there is zero chance I would have been able to do it if AI wasn't there, because I didn't know anything about so many domains that we were in.
**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:17)
A lot of companies are trying to adjust to this new world.
**Jeetu Patel** (0:20)
You have to know the difference between a megatrend and hype cycle. When there's a megatrend, don't fight it. AI is a megatrend. One of the most foundational movements that we have seen in human history.
**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:30)
To turn Cisco from an older, slower, more traditional enterprise to a very AI forward company, this is very difficult to do.
**Jeetu Patel** (0:37)
AI is moving so fast. One of the things I tell my team is, fast forward six months from now, get prepared for that world.
**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:42)
You manage 30,000 people.
**Jeetu Patel** (0:44)
Every management book that you read will tell you, praise in public, criticize in private. I fundamentally disagree with that notion. What you have to do is establish enough trust among the team so that you are comfortable critiquing and debating in public.
**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:59)
What's something that you wish you'd known before taking on this role?
**Jeetu Patel** (1:02)
Stamina trumps intellect. It's very important to have smart people, but you can become smart if you have curiosity and hunger and staying power and persistence. You can't teach hunger.
**Lenny Rachitsky** (1:15)
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