A framework for PM skill development | Vikrama Dhiman (Gojek)

**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:00)
Your name has come up more times than almost any other product person when I asked people for their favorite product leaders in Asia.

**Vikrama Dhiman** (0:07)
I created a career growth framework for product managers, which comprises of three things. What you produce, what you bring to the table, and what's your operating model.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:18)
Your advice is earlier in your career, focus on just getting stuff out and done.

**Vikrama Dhiman** (0:21)
Can you show me your last ERD? Can you show me the last product note that you sent? Can you show me the product strategy doc? You must have that impact through the artifacts that you work on.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:32)
I'm curious what you found most impedes people's career growth.

**Vikrama Dhiman** (0:37)
How you view change, whether you're focusing on things you control, and third is how you see yourself. The moment you are able to correct those stories, you may be back on the growth path in your career.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:52)
Today my guest is Vikrama Dhiman. Vikrama heads all things product at Gojek, including product management, design, program management, research, and insights, with teams across India, Singapore, and Indonesia. He has previously worked at companies like Directy, Airtel, Make My Trip, and WizIQ, and is among the most well-known product leaders in Asia. When I ask people who their favorite product leader is in Asia, Vikrama's name has come up almost more than anyone else's. We chat about how to move into product management, how to be a great product manager, how product managers often shoot themselves in the foot, and so much more. With that, I bring you Vikrama Dhiman after a short word from our sponsors. And if you enjoy this podcast, don't forget to subscribe and follow it in your favorite podcasting app or YouTube. It's the best way to avoid missing future episodes and it helps the podcast tremendously.
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Vikrama, thank you so much for being here and welcome to the podcast.

**Vikrama Dhiman** (4:00)
Thank you for inviting me, Lenny. I'm very excited to be here.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (4:03)
So as you know, and hopefully as listeners know, I'm kind of on this quest to meet the most insightful product leaders from all over the world. And your name has come up more times than almost any other product person when I ask people for their favorite product leaders in Asia. And you're also the third guest from Gojek. So there's definitely something in the water over there. And I want to talk about that.
To kind of just dive right in, you have a very strong reputation for building incredibly strong product talent and also design talent.
And also helping people transition from other roles into product management, which a lot of people listening to this podcast dream to do. So I'm going to ask a bunch of questions around this area. How does that sound?