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970. - Muna

How Long Gone

July 15, 2026

MUNA’s new record, Dancing on the Wall, is out now.
Speakers: Jason Stewart, Naomi McPherson, Chris Black
**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
The best dancers from across the globe are about to join me for the audition of a lifetime.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:05)
ABC Mondays. Do they have what it takes to compete and be the next Dancing with the Stars Pro?

**Jason Stewart** (0:11)
I'm here to win.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:12)
Nothing is gonna stop me.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:13)
Our star judges will decide. This is what hunger looks like.

**Naomi McPherson** (0:16)
It was 100% a wrong choice.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:19)
Robert Irwin hosts.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:20)
The next era of ballroom starts right here on Dancing with the Stars, The Next Pro.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:25)
All new Mondays, 8, 7 Central on ABC, next day on Hulu.

**Chris Black** (0:48)
How Long Gone, a scorching Tuesday here in Manhattan. Jason, the shirts are off in the streets, people are sweating, getting to and from the office. It's gonna touch 100, but luckily, I'm safely tucked away in an air-conditioned room, ready to podcast with my BF and a guest. Can't wait, bro.

**Jason Stewart** (1:10)
Okay, and what a day to celebrate International Binary People Day. And I wanna know, Chris, when you're walking around New York City, and as you said, hot as it gets, hot as balls, what's the least amount of clothing you'll wear when you're out on the streets?
How far will you go?

**Chris Black** (1:32)
Shorts and a shirt, so pretty regular.

**Jason Stewart** (1:34)
Shirt is way too vague, brother. There's a lot of shirts out there.

**Chris Black** (1:38)
Today, I wore a pair of ripstop khaki shorts that I love that I got the idea from Scott Sternberg from some weird Italian brand I've never heard of, and a vintage J. Crew long sleeve shirt, maybe one button lower than normal, and some New Balance 993s, bow's hitting the streets.

**Jason Stewart** (1:57)
No problem. I feel like a long sleeve Oxford is a little thick for 100 degrees in Manhattan, Playboy.

**Chris Black** (2:03)
It's not, it's not, it's a thin, it's not. It is, but it's not, if that makes sense. Yes, sure, I should have worn a t-shirt.

**Jason Stewart** (2:11)
It does make sense, Mr. Trump. It is, but it's also not. Just wanted to let you know that it is.

**Chris Black** (2:16)
Yeah, yeah, I know.

**Jason Stewart** (2:17)
Okay, so you got the Grimicci little, little wrist-up shorts.

**Chris Black** (2:20)
I'm not wearing Grimicci. No, I'm not wearing Grimicci. I don't climb anything except, except.

**Jason Stewart** (2:25)
I'm just trying to see which Lulu, is it Lulu Levin or is it Stussy?

**Chris Black** (2:29)
It's literally, it's literally some brand I can't, it's like LC137. It's a brand I've never heard of. They had these great, Scott was wearing these great shorts and I asked him where he got them. He got them at Mohawk, and I went on mohawk.com and ordered them last summer.

**Jason Stewart** (2:41)
And you said it's called Vuori-C?

**Chris Black** (2:44)
Yeah, Vuori-C. Did you see Eminem rocking the Vuori hoodie on fucking at Yankee Stadium?

**Jason Stewart** (2:49)
Are you serious?

**Chris Black** (2:50)
Kind of goaded. Like I'm kind of into it. I'm like, dude, Eminem coming out, hood up in the Vuori is like, I'm kind of, it's a weird, it's the way that the hood loves Alo. These things, you can't plan for this stuff. It just happens and they call it Alo and you can't say anything.
You can't, they call it Alo. The Joe Budden Podcasts all wear Alo and call it Alo.

**Jason Stewart** (3:13)
Okay, because it's, I guess it is better to say than it's more similar to Polo.

**Chris Black** (3:19)
Oh, I didn't think about that. Yeah, they're lying to themselves. You're right.

**Jason Stewart** (3:22)
They're low heads, they're low heads. I'm a low head, but it's Alo. The same way we can't say heroin, we got to say hairon and we got to say the Arab and not Arab. The list goes on. I mean, when I say we, I mean me and the other black guys, but I wanted to go- It's pretty cool.
I mean, I guess it all lies in the nuance because if I were to pull up wearing Lulu or Alo or Vuori, everyone would be like, oh, TJ is having a fun little troll. He's wearing it post-post ironically. Is he pulling it off? Probably not. Couple people might get a kick out of it. Is it high fashion? Yes, of course. The list goes on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When somebody like Big Freeze or Eminem wears it, you're like, oh, you just kind of get, you're wearing it in the way that Bill Simmons wears it, where it's like, I'm just an old guy and I like being comfy.

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