#968 - Kelly Brogan

Joe Rogan (0:05)

Boom, we're live, that's it. Just like that.

So thank you for doing this. Welcome, what's going on?

Kelly Brogan (0:11)

Total pleasure, nothing. Happy to be in LA.

Joe Rogan (0:13)

Are you?

Kelly Brogan (0:14)

I am, always.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

New York's good right now, though, right? It's good, it's like, June-ish.

Kelly Brogan (0:19)

It's like an addictive relationship, but most of us would rather be in California.

Joe Rogan (0:23)

New York is?

Kelly Brogan (0:24)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:24)

Yeah? Yeah, it's, you're a psychiatrist.

Kelly Brogan (0:28)

I am.

Joe Rogan (0:29)

I would think that there is ample work in New York. Just the environment that New York provides, people stacked on top of each other like that.

Beep beep, Hong Kong, fuck you, all that. Like, I would assume all that stress leads to a lot of people with a...

Kelly Brogan (0:47)

Absolutely.

Joe Rogan (0:47)

It's like, if you're a fisherman, you want to live near a river, right?

Kelly Brogan (0:50)

Right, and it's fetishized in New York, too. To have a psychiatrist, it's sort of almost expected that you do. So not only is there, like, ample supply and demand, but then it's, you know, part of the culture.

Joe Rogan (1:03)

Yeah, what's that about? Can you explain that?

Kelly Brogan (1:06)

I think it's like, you know, Woody Allen level, right? Like, sort of embracing your shadow. And there's something refreshing about it because we don't pretend to be okay. I mean, we're deeply not okay in New York, chronically.

Joe Rogan (1:19)

Well, is someone okay, like, in general anywhere? Is there a spot like, oh, yeah, Seattle, they've got it nailed?

Kelly Brogan (1:25)

I mean, there's this term actually in the medical literature, believe it or not, called paleodeficit disorder. And it just refers to, like, how far have you strayed from the path in your lifestyle? Like, basic stuff, green space, movement, you know, sleep.

And I would imagine that if you have more of those components intact, you're probably a bit more okay than if you're living, you know, in, you know, midtown Manhattan.

Joe Rogan (1:49)

Like, Seattle in the summer, to me, is a really good place, because it's so green, and it's so pretty, and the ocean's right there. So you're getting some good air, and then you're getting sun, because it's the summer, so you don't have that seasonal depression thing that goes on.

Kelly Brogan (2:04)

I mean, I imagine they're doing better.

Joe Rogan (2:05)

They're doing better in the summer. You never?

Kelly Brogan (2:07)

Well, I've heard it's like crazy beautiful, yeah.

Joe Rogan (2:09)

It's awesome, it's awesome, but those winters, they get to you. After the 30th day of rain, you're like, come on, this is stupid.

Like, how much water do you need?

Kelly Brogan (2:19)

I'm like a big, big winter complainer, and I have been my whole life. So I complain 10 months of the year of what it's like to live in the Northeast. But recently, I've been playing around with the idea that there's actually something cool about, like, you know, sort of cyclical living. It's almost just, like, if you embrace it, then there's something just like everything's dead and miserable for a period of time, and then it blooms, and then you get to experience like this rebirth, and then it, you know, flourishes, and then it dies again. But there's another perspective on that actually being, I don't know, like, if you work with it. It's sort of like a woman who's on birth control, has no idea that there's any point to, you know, a cycle of energy over the course of the month, right? And she sort of thinks that that's annoying. But there's a way you can wrap your mind around it where you work.

Okay, so like if you're on birth control, you have no menstrual cycle, right? So you're just like, you're like a man. You're like a flat line the whole month.

But there's actually something really empowering if you understand how to work with your energy shifts. Because naturally, like a woman's natural, I know this is really what you want to be talking about.

Joe Rogan (3:31)

I do, I don't. I mean, it's alien to me, so I do want to hear it.

Kelly Brogan (3:34)

So like, I figured this out. I'm 39 I was on birth control for 12 years. So I never knew what it was, what it meant to have like a menstrual cycle until very recently, because then I had two kids breastfeeding. So a couple of decades into my life, I'm just figuring this out.