#958 - Jordan Peterson

Joe Rogan (0:04)

Two, one.

Boom. Welcome back, Mr. Peterson.

Jordan Peterson (0:12)

Thank you.

Joe Rogan (0:13)

How are you?

Jordan Peterson (0:14)

Not too bad. How are you doing?

Joe Rogan (0:15)

I'm doing good, man. You look like a man who is dealing with a considerable amount of stress, but is handling it well.

Jordan Peterson (0:24)

Yeah, well, I hope that's true. I think the first part of it's true, I hope the second part is true.

Joe Rogan (0:28)

I read that you were denied a grant for the first time in your history as an academic.

Jordan Peterson (0:37)

Yes.

Joe Rogan (0:38)

And you think this is all based on your outspoken and very public denouncing of the political correctness and of all this stuff that you've been going through over the past more than a year now.

Jordan Peterson (0:52)

I don't know, because I haven't got the full commentary on the grant yet. I only found out that it was denied and it takes the granting agency a while to send out the full report. I've heard from other people, I know some other people who I would consider relatively high profile researchers who also didn't get funded this round.

So there might be multiple reasons, but I can't help suspect that the fact that the grant application concentrated on delineating the personality characteristics of politically correct belief might have had something to do with it.

Joe Rogan (1:23)

Still a taboo subject. It's fascinating that thinking and thinking and pondering and examining certain types of behaviour would still be a taboo subject.

Jordan Peterson (1:34)

Yeah, it is amazing, all right, and becoming more taboo all the time, I would say. I don't think the universities are, have, I think they're getting worse still, and it will be a while before they get better. I shouldn't say that so globally, but certainly the case with the humanities and much of the social sciences.

Joe Rogan (1:50)

Well, it seems globally, I mean, not necessarily in terms of all the different subjects, but certainly in terms of what you teach and what you're involved in.

And it just, it's so, I mean, I hate to use the word, but it's so regressive to put restrictions on the examining of thinking in a university. I mean, it's kind of crazy. I mean, what you went through in one of your most recent public speeches, where they allowed these kids to be in the room with you with bullhorns, and they were screaming. Jamie, see if you can find the video of that. What was the name?

Jordan Peterson (2:30)

McMaster. That was at McMaster University.

Joe Rogan (2:33)

And you were giving your speech, and there were supposed to be some other people involved. They backed out, and you decided to continue on. So, you're standing there in front of these people that were there to hear you talk, and there's a group of kids with bullhorns, like literally, and shouting and yelling and chanting with signs in the room, just completely disrupting what you're doing, and they allowed this all to happen.

Jordan Peterson (2:56)

Airhorns as well.

So, yeah, and they were blowing airhorns quite close to me. That was the one thing I really objected to, because airhorns actually happened to be quite loud.

Joe Rogan (3:04)

No, no, it's actually an assault on your ears. It's very bad for your hearing. Like, you're not supposed to be in a room with those without hearing protection. They're supposed to be like for like scary things. Play some of this, Jamie, so we can hear how crazy it is. So they're yelling, shut him down, no freedom for hate speech.

And the hate speech thing has like the prince symbol meets some sort of Martian language. Like what the fuck is that, that they have on that? No freedom for hate speech.

Jordan Peterson (3:47)

I guess it's a polygender symbol of some sort. There's a fist in it. But one of the things that was really not so good about all of that was that a lot of the people who were protesting were standing behind a hammer and sickle banner, you know, which just absolutely amazes me because I still haven't been able to quite figure this out. I can't figure out why you couldn't do that with a Nazi symbol, but you can do that with a hammer and sickle. You know, there's a reason. Maybe it's because the Nazi doctrine was so explicitly racist, but God, it's not like the hammer and sickle wasn't equally murderous or actually quite profoundly more murderous as it turned out.

So, and how people can not still know that is beyond me, and to rally behind a banner like that without realizing what they're doing, or even worse, realizing it and still organizing themselves behind it, and then complain about hate speech. No, there's no real communicating with people who are demonstrating like that. They're in a kind of trance, you know, and I went up to try to talk to a couple of them.