#943 - Moshe Kasher

Joe Rogan (0:00)

I wish I was really that excited. Yes!

Moshe Kasher (0:07)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:07)

Hello, Moshe.

Moshe Kasher (0:08)

What's happening, Joe? I'm good. How are you?

Joe Rogan (0:10)

Just sporty sunglasses. I like those.

Moshe Kasher (0:12)

Oh, thanks.

Joe Rogan (0:12)

Well, glasses, glasses, not sunglasses.

Moshe Kasher (0:14)

This is how I look.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

They fit your face well.

Moshe Kasher (0:16)

Thanks, man.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

It's a good choice.

Moshe Kasher (0:18)

Joe's been flirting with me since I arrived.

Joe Rogan (0:19)

A little bit. Just casual, nothing weird.

Just the way you button that shirt all the way up to the top.

Moshe Kasher (0:26)

That little top button.

Joe Rogan (0:27)

Yeah, the jean jacket that Jay Leno's garage look.

Moshe Kasher (0:30)

Yeah, I just came from Jay Leno's podcast.

Joe Rogan (0:34)

So we were just talking about the fights. I'd stopped you before we actually talked.

Moshe Kasher (0:40)

We were just feeling like this is more evidence that we are living in a computer simulation. Like everything is getting weirder.

Politics is the most bizarre. I mean, everything is falling apart, and it's like the Matrix programmers can't keep up with the code.

Joe Rogan (0:53)

Do you think that maybe like when one or two things go weird, like the election, I think the election, I think having a reality star television host guy who's this, you know, media mogul become the president of the United States is so odd to people that I think it gives us this feeling of instability, and that feeling of instability has like a ripple effect, and it starts to fuck with all these other aspects of our reality, and then these blurbs just start popping up and these weirdness.

Moshe Kasher (1:25)

Well, it's kind of like, rather than it being a proof that it's a simulation, this is the most reality we've had in a long time, right? Like we've all been living in this like pseudo, this theater of stability, although I'm sure you've talked about hypernormalization on this podcast before, haven't you?

Joe Rogan (1:40)

I think we have.

Moshe Kasher (1:41)

The documentary, it's real good if people haven't caught up to it yet. It's on YouTube in its entirety. It's dense. It's not like a light, it's not a light, fun documentary. It's like a three hour long British guy droning on to found footage on BBC. But his basic point is that society is unstable and has been for a very long time. Greenland is melting.

We have nukes that can destroy us at any point. And there is no way for the leaders to actually run a functional, stable society. So what they do instead is they put up this artifice of stability. Meanwhile, shit is fucking collapsing behind the set.

And basically, the proof out example he uses is the Soviet Union, right? Is like, the Soviet Union stopped working almost immediately, right? They tried this utopic, communistic, beautiful society, and everything fell apart immediately. Everybody knew it fell apart. Everyone in Russia knew it wasn't working, but it served them more to pretend that it was working. And so people got into this willful sort of voluntary suspension of disbelief this voluntary cognitive dissonance to like say, oh no, everything's good. Even though they go to the fucking the store, there's no bread.

They would just, everybody was walking around as if it was real. So maybe when somebody like Trump gets elected, this fake realness of like everything's good, America's awesome, what a wonderful place, a utopic society with all these freedoms, maybe that rips the seam. Then Anthony Rumble Johnson retires from MMA.

Or something.

Joe Rogan (3:13)

Wow.

Where do you go with that? I think there's always been problems with society, right? I mean, if you go back to ancient Rome, have you ever visited the Colosseum?

Moshe Kasher (3:24)

Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:25)

Fascinating, right?

Moshe Kasher (3:26)

It's crazy, yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:27)

And when you think about it, that's only, you're only talking about a thousand, two thousand years ago, right? Like when did it all start in Rome?

Moshe Kasher (3:36)

Well, Rome was around for two thousand years, right? I mean, they were like ten times as long as this American superpower has existed. So yeah, and they were, but the thing is they didn't have the technology to strip mine the world the way we do. Technology has now caught up. Human evil or whatever it is, or human avarice has always been probably equal, right?

Joe Rogan (3:57)

But my point was that there's never been like any example of a society, or a true utopian society. That was like really together, very relaxed, people were nice, there was no war, there was no crime, there was no rape, there was no stealing.