#877 - Jordan Peterson

Joe Rogan (0:05)

All right, we're live. Sir, first of all, thank you very much for coming on, I really appreciate it. I've enjoyed your YouTube video. I wouldn't say I've enjoyed, I have enjoyed them, but I've been puzzled by them, been puzzled by the subject, and for people who have no idea what's going on, let's sort of unpack this for them.

In Canada, Canada is very different than the United States.

I love Canada, I'm a giant fan of Canada. If there's one place I would live outside of the US, 100% it would be Canada, I love it up there. I think the people are at least 20% more polite than America, but you've got some weird shit going on up there, and your king, what do you call him, Prime Minister, Trudeau, that fella?

Jordan Peterson (0:43)

The Castro lover.

Joe Rogan (0:45)

The Castro lover, I was just gonna say that. This fucking guy, and people have been posting today all the atrocities that Castro committed during his regime to sort of show how preposterous.

Jordan Peterson (0:55)

What's a few thousand firing squad deaths?

Joe Rogan (0:57)

A few thousand, how about all the different people that they executed and then sold their blood to the Viet Cong?

Wonderful. Wonderful man.

Jordan Peterson (1:06)

50 bucks a pint.

Joe Rogan (1:07)

Yeah, he was a wonderful man, that fucking savage.

Trudeau, and what he represents is, I think the good side of it, what he's trying to do, they're trying to make a kinder, more progressive, more inclusive country. But along the way, what they're doing is they're promoting what you would call online social justice warrior values. And some of them are a little preposterous. You are one of the very few academics who have fought against some of these ideas that are not just being promoted, but are being enforced, and enforced and written into law. And one of them is about gender pronouns. What we mean by gender pronouns is not just he and she, but a whole slew of invented gender pronouns that you're going to be compelled to use.

Jordan Peterson (2:07)

Yeah, you're already compelled to use, and likely in the States too, even though people don't know it yet. Certainly in New York, and the Employment EEOC has already ruled on that with regards to businesses for the US.

Joe Rogan (2:22)

Yeah, businesses, and I believe also landlords. I think, yeah, if your landlord chooses to misgender you, and not just misgender you, like if you're a transgender woman, you used to be a man, now you're a woman, and they call you a he, it's not just that. Like you're compelled to use, how many, what is the number of them now?

Jordan Peterson (2:39)

Well, there's no standard nomenclature for the non-gender, for the non-binary types. There's many, many invented words, and which of those you're supposed to use is dependent entirely on the subjective choice of the person that you're talking with.

Joe Rogan (2:52)

Now, most people, I believe, out there listening are going, what the hell are they talking about right now? We're talking about as many as 70-plus invented gender pronouns, like z, x-e, xer, h-i-r, a bunch of weird ones. And this is for people that don't necessarily think they're a he or a she. So they prefer these things.

On top of that, you have animal kin.

Jordan Peterson (3:21)

Yeah, other kins, including worm self, which was the one I found most amusing.

Joe Rogan (3:26)

Worm self, fox kin.

Jordan Peterson (3:28)

That's for the low self-esteem other kins.

Joe Rogan (3:31)

This is people that truly believe that they are in the wrong body and that they should have been born some form of animal and would like you to refer to them as this animal.

Jordan Peterson (3:44)

Or elf.

Joe Rogan (3:45)

Or elf, or fairy.

Jordan Peterson (3:46)

Or fairy.

Joe Rogan (3:47)

I've seen pixie.

Jordan Peterson (3:48)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (3:48)

Pixie kin.

Jordan Peterson (3:50)

I haven't seen pixie kin, that's a good one.

Joe Rogan (3:53)

Let's just get on Tumblr. Gotta get on Tumblr.

Jordan Peterson (3:55)

Yes, absolutely.

Joe Rogan (3:56)

That's where it all goes down.

Professor Peterson, what the hell's going on? What is this?

Jordan Peterson (4:03)

Well, I think it's partly a form of narcissism.

Joe Rogan (4:06)

Yes.

Jordan Peterson (4:07)

It's partly a consequence of the new rise again of, say, Marxist doctrine, I would say. It's part of postmodernism. Maybe it's postmodernism more than anything else.

Because the postmodernists, that's a philosophical community, let's say, believe that the entire point of human categorization is power, and that dialogue between people is only a power dialogue, and that there's no real reality outside of interpretation, and that basically what we do is exchange interpretive viewpoints to ratchet up our dominance and status. And that's that. And there's no biology as an ideology, and the idea of the objective world is an ideology, and science is an ideology, and it's all interpretation all the way down, like turtles all the way down.