#858: The Random Show, Couch Edition! — Supplements, Hummingbirds, C**k Rings, Optimizing Mitochondria, Breathing and Balance Training, Cool Grip Strength Tools, and More

**Tim Ferriss** (0:12)
I'm a cybernetic organism living this year over a metal endoskeleton.

**Kevin Rose** (0:25)
Okay, ready?

**Tim Ferriss** (0:25)
Oh, wait, wait. So we're rolling?

**Kevin Rose** (0:27)
Yeah, we're rolling. Three, two, one.
It feels actually really good.

**Tim Ferriss** (0:36)
I feel like my bowl is a little smaller than yours.

**Kevin Rose** (0:39)
That's always been the case. You want to kick it off? Hello, friends and family, colleagues. That was amazing.

**Tim Ferriss** (0:48)
Very prominent ejaculation.

**Kevin Rose** (0:50)
Welcome to The Random Show.

**Tim Ferriss** (0:52)
Welcome, folks, to another episode of The Random Show, Couch Edition edition.

**Kevin Rose** (0:55)
That's right. ADU, Back of My Place edition.

**Tim Ferriss** (1:00)
Why do we have these fancy bowls?

**Kevin Rose** (1:02)
So this is for people not looking.

**Tim Ferriss** (1:05)
These are meditation balls, got a bunch of script. Presumably, that's Tibetan or Sanskrit or something. And you have a little corner, but that's not the bad corner. That's the Zen corner.

**Kevin Rose** (1:16)
Yeah, this is Zen corner. Would you say bad corner?

**Tim Ferriss** (1:18)
Yeah, you don't even put kids in the bad corner.

**Kevin Rose** (1:20)
Did you use that as a kid?

**Tim Ferriss** (1:22)
In school, I got sent to the bad table all the time.

**Kevin Rose** (1:24)
Oh, there was a table. Oh, yeah.

**Tim Ferriss** (1:26)
And then the teacher in kindergarten sent me to the bad table with a bunch of other kids who were really bad and then forgot that she had decided it was the bad table and just left us at the bad table for like the entire year. Might explain a lot of psychological issues that I've carried with me.

**Kevin Rose** (1:41)
This is not the bad table. This is the meditation area and I have bowls over here that I just like the sound of a good, I mean you heard that. Hopefully it came through and didn't distort the mic, but a well rung bowl, it sets the tone for the beginning of the meditation and also at the very end.

**Tim Ferriss** (1:59)
It's also just perfect for a podcast in Southern California.

**Kevin Rose** (2:01)
Yeah, exactly.

**Tim Ferriss** (2:02)
Nice to be in person.

**Kevin Rose** (2:03)
It plays well in the whole SoCal environment. There's bowls per capita out here and crystal shops are very high.

**Tim Ferriss** (2:11)
High density, high density, man.

**Kevin Rose** (2:13)
Yeah.

**Tim Ferriss** (2:14)
Another beautiful day. SoCal.

**Kevin Rose** (2:16)
Beautiful day.

**Tim Ferriss** (2:16)
Been doing a lot of walk-in. Where should we start off? We got tons.

**Kevin Rose** (2:20)
We just came back from our retreat.

**Tim Ferriss** (2:22)
We did, we did. You want to describe the format?

**Kevin Rose** (2:25)
Yeah, so we've done a couple of these retreats. This is the second one where it's just a small group of people that are interested in meditation and that want to go a little bit deeper in the world of Zen. You know, you and I both talked about The Way and Henry Shukman a ton, The Way being his app. And Henry is just a great leader, great Zen master, and was accompanied by Valerie, another Zen master.

**Tim Ferriss** (2:48)
And Mountain Cloud.

**Kevin Rose** (2:49)
And Mountain Cloud Zen Center in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Yeah, so we flew out there, small group, got together. And it's kind of like the proper Zen retreat is like 5.3 cushion in the morning. And then you're off at 7 p.m. And it's hardcore, like no talking, shitty food. This was not bad. Like this was, we had a good chef that was there and we were allowed to ask questions in between sits. The sits were purposely kind of time-bound to call it maximum of 25 minutes and then a walking meditation. Then another 25 minutes, that was like kind of the max.

**Tim Ferriss** (3:27)
Yeah, let me interject just so we don't get into hyper bougie territory too fast. So the chef was not our chef. He's actually, as I remember, this is a former, I think James Beard award winner, who decided to forgo the accolades and the attention.

**Kevin Rose** (3:42)
How is that less bougie than what I was going to say?

**Tim Ferriss** (3:45)
Well, you said we had a nice chef and people might have assumed that we're bringing in a chef. This is a chef who actually lives at the Zen Center and has chosen a life of simplicity working with local ingredients and so on. He is also normally there. It's not like we had our own dedicated chef.

**Kevin Rose** (4:03)
That's right. That's right. That's the only thing I can tell.