#832 - Vinny Shoreman

Joe Rogan (0:00)

We're live.

That always sounds so fake. It's always hard to get these things started. It's always hard to just start talking. Not hard, but... Well, I'm learning from you, that the way you define things in your own mind...

Vinny Shoreman (0:14)

Yep. It's all about the language.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

Yeah.

Vinny Shoreman (0:17)

It's all about the language you use.

Joe Rogan (0:19)

Yeah, the way you define things can oftentimes shape exactly how those things manifest themselves in real life, right?

Vinny Shoreman (0:25)

Yeah, you say more about yourself than what you actually know. That's where mind coaching comes in.

Joe Rogan (0:30)

You say more about yourself?

Vinny Shoreman (0:32)

Yeah, well, you give away a lot.

Well, sometimes it doesn't make sense. They're talking about something, and they're saying that they're really positive about something, and then you think, well, that doesn't match up, so... It's a bit like a barking pig.

Pigs don't bark. So you just think, that doesn't make sense. Mm. That's how I define it, anyway. A barking pig. A barking pig.

Joe Rogan (0:51)

That one, I had to throw through the filter.

Vinny Shoreman (0:56)

Magic mushroom days, I'm afraid.

Joe Rogan (0:58)

Yeah. It's a very interesting thing we just did. We just did something called timeline therapy.

That you were telling me about, that Joe Schilling told me about. Ian McCall got really interested in it.

And what you, for folks who've never heard of Vinny before, Vinny's been on the podcast before. Vinny's a mental coach and a hypnotist. And before our first session, the last time you came on the podcast, I was like, I don't know about all this hypnosis and stuff. Maybe just a bunch of fucking crazy people and people talk to them. I mean, you for sure have seen those televangelists that put their hands on people and they go into spasms and they fall down the floor and they claim to be cured of illnesses.

Vinny Shoreman (1:41)

Yeah, that's hysteria, isn't it?

Joe Rogan (1:44)

What is that?

Vinny Shoreman (1:45)

It's bollocks.

Joe Rogan (1:47)

It's bollocks?

Vinny Shoreman (1:47)

It's bullshit, isn't it?

Joe Rogan (1:49)

But is it? Or is it something going on with some of those people?

Vinny Shoreman (1:54)

It is a hypnotic state. It doesn't mean that it's a positive one, but it is a hypnotic state. They get this. Anyone that does... I've been on a couple of podcasts now. I went on to with Ian McCall on the Dash Radio.

And I went on his story time with Uncle Creepy. And the first thing that their interviewer said, obviously, because you did hypnosis, oh, we're going to, you know, I can't be hypnotized. Well, fine. That's all right. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan (2:15)

People love to say that, don't they?

Vinny Shoreman (2:17)

I don't care.

Joe Rogan (2:17)

I can't be hypnotized, bro. Can't get me, bro.

Vinny Shoreman (2:20)

Well, I don't care. Fine.

Joe Rogan (2:22)

Fine.

I mean, I think we just will. We may have discussed this the last time, but we may not have. I think stand up comedy is hypnosis.

Vinny Shoreman (2:30)

You know what? Everything is, you know, how do you know you're not a hypnotic state listening to you? How do you get hypnotic state? Not listen to music, TV, having a bath, shower, rituals, whatever.

Joe Rogan (2:39)

So do you think that the term hypnotic is problematic because people think that it takes away control from you and it puts you into this netherworld or something like that?

Vinny Shoreman (2:47)

Well, it can do, but all hypnosis is self hypnosis. So you do it yourself. I only guide it, I'm only a postman of information as my first teacher said. Keith Mayer, who works at Liverpool Football Club, great guy.

He said that we're only postman of information. So we just guide the way and show the person which way to go, you know? I don't do it for that. I said last time, I don't do it for all that. Look at him eating an onion. I don't like that. I mean, it's fine if you want to go to a show and you want to get involved in that and hey, great.

You want to have sex with the chair or whatever, that's okay.

For me, yeah, I don't do it for that.

Joe Rogan (3:22)

What do you do it for?

Vinny Shoreman (3:23)

I do it because I like people succeeding. I know it sounds cliché and very hippie, but I love it. I like people doing well.

I like it's sex and some sort of weird, noble side of me really, I think, when people conquer fear, when people conquer something, I think there's nothing better than that.