#825 - Jeremy Stephens

Joe Rogan (0:00)

Man, totally, five, four, three, two, one.

Ta-ta-da, Jeremy motherfucking Stephens. What's up, buddy? Good to see you, man.

Jeremy Stephens (0:11)

Yeah, you too, man. Thanks for having me back.

Joe Rogan (0:12)

My pleasure, brother. What's cracking?

Jeremy Stephens (0:15)

Just these skulls, you know.

Joe Rogan (0:16)

Skulls are cracking, indeed. You're coming off of a fucking gigantic victory, man, over Henen Berao, who was, just a little while ago, consensus top three pound for pound fighter in the world, man.

That was a big victory.

Jeremy Stephens (0:29)

Yeah, yeah, I think that was before USADA, you know. Coming in, and I feel like it's on level playing fields, and you kind of wonder who would be champions.

Joe Rogan (0:38)

For people who don't know what we're talking about, USADA, the US Anti-Doping Agency, was hired by the UFC to clean up a sport, and god damn bodies are dropping.

Jeremy Stephens (0:48)

Massive, dude, massive bodies are dropping. I watched the documentary on the cyclist Lance Armstrong, and just watched how that guy just lied and manipulated his way, and people were just calling the smoke a long time before that. And then here comes Nowitzki, who's a pretty scary dude, if you ever met him. Nice as... Very nice guy.

Awesome dude, but he means business, man.

Joe Rogan (1:12)

He does mean business.

Jeremy Stephens (1:12)

He's really trying to catch the cheaters, and I'm actually happy, because I've always took iem pride in being a natural man, and if I feel like you need to start pumping steroids, maybe it's time for you to get out, but I love it.

Joe Rogan (1:24)

Well, Lance Armstrong's defense, that entire sport was dirty. That's a different sport, because if you, it's really crazy, because all the years he won, they took his titles away, right? And while he still has all those, he's been on the podcast. I talked to him. He's a good dude, man. But he was in a bad spot.

If they took his title away, and they gave it to the next person that didn't test positive, it'd be 18th place.

That's how dirty that sport is.

Jeremy Stephens (1:51)

Yeah, that's crazy.

Joe Rogan (1:52)

Dirty, dirty, dirty sport.

And I was asking him, I was like, well, what, you know, he doesn't know what they're doing today. But I'm like, well, how are they doing it today if they're still breaking records? He's like, we'll find out one day. We'll find out eventually.

One day, they're gonna figure out what the fuck these people are doing. But Nowitzki was explaining all the weird little loopholes that people are finding, like testosterone supplementation that comes from animals instead of from wild yams. Did you know that that's how they catch them?

Jeremy Stephens (2:20)

Yeah, yeah. No, I've heard of people doing stuff like that, but I mean, that just seems insane.

I mean, last time around the show, you were talking about how somebody was pulling out their blood and refrigerating it.

Joe Rogan (2:29)

Yeah.

Jeremy Stephens (2:30)

And it was that doping, basically, like EPO?

Joe Rogan (2:32)

Well, that is still going on. That's definitely still going on. And apparently, the way they're supposed to be able to test that, like you're not supposed to use an IV, right? And the reason why you're not supposed to use an IV is that somehow or another through intravenous fluids, you can mask the effects of doping.

So they also have been able to detect minuscule plastic particles from the tubes that they use to put IV fluids back into your body. They've been able to detect those apparently, but no one's ever been caught for that. So that's what they would do. They would either use blood, that's your own blood, or in Lance Armstrong's case, a lot of the people were taking EPO, which makes your body produce more blood.

But I think guys to this day are probably still putting blood back into their body.

Jeremy Stephens (3:21)

That's insane.

Joe Rogan (3:22)

It gives you an advantage, you know?

Jeremy Stephens (3:23)

That's kind of scary. You know, I mean, you're cutting drastic weight, and then you're pulling blood, and then, you know, with everything going on.

Joe Rogan (3:30)

Well, I know a dude that walked in to a fighter's dressing room, not dressing room, hotel room, and they had bags of blood in the hotel room. They pulled his blood out so he could make weight.

Jeremy Stephens (3:42)

Yeah, you were telling me that last time.

Joe Rogan (3:43)

What the fuck?

Jeremy Stephens (3:45)

Yeah, that's freaky.

Joe Rogan (3:46)

That's freaky. Yeah. Because that's not sanitary. You're not in a hospital. You're in some hotel room where people have been farting and shooting loads all over the place.