**SPEAKER_1** (0:07)
You've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free.
When you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven.
**SPEAKER_2** (0:18)
I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.
**SPEAKER_1** (0:29)
I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.
**SPEAKER_2** (0:31)
If you're not paying attention, you probably should be. You probably should be, you probably should be.
**Marty Bent** (0:36)
Gentlemen, here we are.
**Dylan Seib** (0:39)
Good morning.
**Marty Bent** (0:40)
Dylan, welcome to the show. This is your first time on, Tyler, this is your second.
**Dylan Seib** (0:44)
Yeah, this is a long time, first time. So this is really exciting for me.
**Marty Bent** (0:48)
Well, it's exciting for me too, because we've been doing some work together behind the scenes, putting together a playbook for mining at home. And I think just jumping right into it, this is like an educational series that we're trying to do here at TFTC, just to set the tone and set expectations and get people excited to stick around. What are people going to learn if they listen to this whole episode?
**Dylan Seib** (1:15)
That mining at home, mining in your business is useful and can add value to your business.
**Tyler Stevens** (1:23)
Yeah, I think a lot of people are wondering what's going to happen with all these miners shifting to AI. And this playbook really outlines the case for building integrated mining and how it can be useful, like heating systems, solar systems, battery systems, thinking about mining as a tool in the toolkit of like energy infrastructure, not just data center operations.
**Marty Bent** (1:45)
Yeah. And I mean, Tyler, you've been on the show before, but many people are listening now may have missed it because our audience is growing exponentially since you were last on over a year ago. So there's a bunch of new freaks here.
But just to set the tone on authority, what gives you guys the authority to write this, this particular playbook?
**Tyler Stevens** (2:05)
So Dylan and I have been steadfast focused on the home mining and really hashrate heating space for two years now is coming up on. So I authored the book Bitcoin Mining Heat Reuse just out of curiosity, kind of fell into that rabbit hole. We talked about that on the first pod. Thanks for the mention there, Marty. Really focused on how we can integrate Bitcoin miners into heating systems, electric heat that pays, people have seen the retrofitted space heaters, the hacked together products and gadgets all the way to the heat bits.
Dylan and I came in and said, well, how does this really scale into the actual energy infrastructure of a building, your furnace, your boiler, not just a gadget you plug into the wall, but part of the building you call a technician, you get it integrated fully part of your solar system, etc.
That really led to the Heat Punk Summit, which we've talked on before, where we bring together mining developers and people from the building in energy space, electricians, plumbers, home insurers, ash-rays, certifiers, all this stuff. We kind of back solve this problem. It's long-winded, but to say, we believe wholeheartedly that there's this new use case for Bitcoin miners, this new home for them, like distributing into all these different pockets of stranded energy to heating systems, to solar systems. And we're really focused on building integrated miners and we're trying to solve that problem. So this playbook is really an outline of how we do it right now today. And then a little bit of discussion of where we think it's going to go once the technology and educational people challenges get solved as well.
**Dylan Seib** (3:40)
Yeah, I just want to add that at Exergy, we've been implementing miners in various systems and testing them, seeing what works, what doesn't. We've come to a solid conclusion that control and software for these miners just sucks because they're designed for industrial use cases, not necessarily for homes and smaller buildings. And so we've spent the better part of the last year running numbers, making sure that the calculations check out for running these in your home and not necessarily being profitable but being cost effective relative to your utilization case, whether that's solar monetization or heating your home or building.
And so we spent the better part of the last year developing control systems to force these industrial boxes to operate the way we want to. And so we're, I think we'll touch on at the end of this about what the future of home mining might look like as open source development takes off.
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