#759: Open Source Is The Only Defense with Kyle Olney

**SPEAKER_1** (0:07)
You've had a dynamic where money's become freer than free. When you talk about a Fed just gone nuts, all the central banks going nuts. So it's all acting like safe haven.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:18)
I believe that in a world where central bankers are tripping over themselves to devalue their currency, Bitcoin wins. In the world of fiat currencies, Bitcoin is the victor.

**SPEAKER_1** (0:29)
I mean, that's part of the bold case for Bitcoin.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:31)
If you're not paying attention, you probably should be.

**Marty Bent** (0:36)
Kyle Olney, I welcome you back to the show, but under some pretty heady circumstances here, we've got a battle for freedom and the digital aid. It's raging on, probably more pressing than it was when we spoke last November.

**Kyle Olney** (0:56)
Yeah, absolutely. The battle for the future of freedom tech is now.

**Marty Bent** (1:02)
Yeah. And I think AI is really accelerating the battle. That's actually one thing I'd be interested to get your thoughts on, because I think described AI is equally exhilarating and unnerving. It's typically in the context of, oh my gosh, this is so powerful.
It's so cool playing with these tools. I've been able to do more than I ever thought would be possible as a one man team playing with a clanker. Not the normal one man team. We have a six person team here at TFTC, but I think you catch my drift. It's unnerving because it's like, oh gosh, what's this going to mean for the state of the job market if this is truly disruptive? I think on the job market side, I've become more convinced that I'm not sure it's going to be as disruptive as many people are fear-bongering about. But the other side of that coin is exhilarating because you can do all the things that I just described. And it's unnerving because we're sort of speedrunning into it, making an integral part of our workflows. And it's almost like it's a bit of a honey trap where we're getting addicted to it. And the government, the governments of the world are obviously observing. And over the last week, I think we've seen the first big shot across the bow of how the governments think we should be able to utilize these tools, particularly with the export ban on Fable 5 last week.

**Kyle Olney** (2:28)
Yeah. I mean, I think you nailed it right on the head. Like the whole world changed in the last two weeks out here in Silicon Valley, at least, right on the front lines of what's happening with AI, both with the anthropic change on the pricing models and people being forced to confront the real cost of tokens that they're using.
And then in very quick succession, the US government coming in to pull back and implement export controls on Fable 5 and the newest class of models that Anthropic had released. It's heads are spinning, heads are spinning out here in Silicon Valley and people are still trying to figure out what this actually means and where things are going. But those of us in the Bitcoin community and the Freedom Tech community are well aware where this is going. We've seen this before. We've been fighting this battle for years now. And I think, you know, I don't want to jump too far ahead with the AI stuff. I actually think it's great to maybe take one step back or two steps back and kind of start with the BRCA and clarity and market structure and kind of like the debate around our ability to access these freedom technologies generally that's going on in Congress. And then I'd be happy to connect that through line straight from what we see going on in BRCA and clarity to kind of AI and anthropic and the Department of War, the US government, all of that.

**Marty Bent** (4:06)
Yeah, let's start with BRCA and clarity, because I think that's taking a backseat to the AI stuff in the last month as everybody looks at the saber rattling between anthropic and the US government and obviously last week's actions by the US government with those export controls. But I think the last I heard on BRCA and clarity was that it's getting held up in an ethics committee because they want some language in the bill about insider trading or the ability of the Trump family specifically to play with any of these assets. And then the other one was the law enforcement blockchain association letter that went out a couple of weeks ago where you had, I think, a couple of hundred law enforcement officials signed a letter basically saying, we want clarity because we've been promised that it's going to expand the Patriot Act to make it much easier to track people using this.