#72 with Sophia Amoruso - GIRLBOSS

**Sam** (0:00)
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**Sophia Amoruso** (0:07)
That was it. I didn't have savings. And I went from upgrading from my 87 Volvo to a year and a half later, fucking Panamera. And I was like, what is this? I can buy everyone oysters?

**Shaan** (0:18)
That's nuts.
What's up? I'm here. Sam's here. And we got special guest, Sophia Amoruso. We're just explaining what this podcast is. And I think we're kind of shit at explaining it, because most people, when they come on a podcast, they're like, OK, cool, these people are going to interview me. And we kind of do. We do ask questions because we're curious. But for the most part, the feel of it is, what if the three of us were sort of at dinner and we were just shooting the shit on stuff that's interesting to us and let the conversation go where it may? And that's really the overall vibe of the podcast. And so we can start with whatever. Sam's read your book. I've read your Twitter. I have a question off your Twitter that's just a fun little icebreaker. I saw that you tweeted a very controversial tweet. Actually, not so controversial because many people would agree. You said that Peter is a national disgrace. You watched The Bachelor.

**Sophia Amoruso** (1:10)
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

**Shaan** (1:12)
Give me 30 seconds. Why is Peter a national disgrace?

**Sophia Amoruso** (1:15)
My boyfriend was saying last night, he was like, it's okay, like you're into The Bachelor. And I was like, I'm not into The Bachelor. He's like, you watch it every season and you're into it. And I'm like, that is not part of my identity. I am not into The Bachelor and I guess what you do is who you are, right? What is that? Like Ben Horowitz's new book or something?
He's like a dupe. He's just like the most generic. I just don't know how you find people that generic. Yeah, there's just like no deviance whatsoever. And that just like creeps me out.

**Sam** (1:48)
I think the word is basic.

**Sophia Amoruso** (1:50)
Yeah, basic.

**Shaan** (1:51)
I think what people...

**Sam** (1:52)
That's the B word.

**Sophia Amoruso** (1:53)
Entry level human.

**Shaan** (1:55)
Yeah, he's pretty universally disliked as The Bachelor. Nobody dislikes him because he's not controversial. He doesn't do anything necessarily that bad. He doesn't also do anything, period. He's sort of a non-decision maker, which is what you want.

**Sophia Amoruso** (2:08)
Yeah, he just like flip-flops and hurts people. Why would you want to date that guy?

**Shaan** (2:12)
Not great. Okay, so that's your thoughts on The Bachelor. Sam, you read the book, so I think you have maybe some more interesting questions than I do.

**Sam** (2:20)
Well, I just had... I want to dive deep into all those. But the first quick question is, what type of Porsche do you have?

**Sophia Amoruso** (2:26)
I don't. That's like many cars ago.

**Sam** (2:29)
What do you have now?

**Sophia Amoruso** (2:30)
I did the Porsche and then I did... I had the Jaguar F-Type right when it came out again, which is like, why am I driving a sports car? I like cars.

**Sam** (2:42)
Well, an F-Type is like a supercar, right? Or is that the SUV?

**Sophia Amoruso** (2:46)
No, it's... Yeah, it's like a racy race car.

**Sam** (2:49)
Right. It's like the wing. It's like the doors go up.

**Sophia Amoruso** (2:52)
I don't think they go up, but I do have the Model X now and the doors do go up. So I had the F-Type and then I had a Range Rover for like five years. I rode Girlboss like seven years ago, so I've been through many cars and now I drive the Model X and I like it a lot.

**Sam** (3:09)
What type of Porsche was it?

**Sophia Amoruso** (3:09)
It's a Panamera.

**Sam** (3:11)
Worth it or not? I hear mixed things on that.

**Sophia Amoruso** (3:13)
It's a huge car. I mean, honestly, anything other than a Tesla feels like driving like an ancient in the past. Why would you pay to hassle with carplay or whatever it's called? I don't know.

**Shaan** (3:27)
I was about to buy the Model X a few months ago, but then I got spooked because I'm on Twitter all the time and I ended up in this rabbit hole on Twitter of the people who believe that Tesla is like a giant fraud. I like great product, but the company is sort of in dire straits financially.