#61 - How to Buy, Manage and Grow Cash-Flow Positive Businesses + Corona Virus Impact on the Economy

**Sam** (0:00)
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**Jordan Harbinger** (0:44)
Yeah, I think podcasts have been around for like 14 years or 15, and I've been around for 13 of those. So yeah, when I started, there were no iPhones, so you couldn't get podcasts on your phone. You had to use an iPod to play them.

**Sam** (1:00)
Yeah, straight to cassette. That's how long this guy's been doing it.
So Jordan, I like your show. I've been binging it while in quarantine because what else am I going to do besides try to learn something new or improve myself in some way? And I got to say, I like it because you do the interview style show where you go deep with a guest. I think I was listening to the one with Tony Hawk, which is pretty awesome. And I got to say, I like that you don't do the kind of surface level, you know, just pity padding around with the questions or trying to do, you know, inspirational fluff where you're just saying, go, you can do this.
So with that episode with Tony Hawk, what was that like? Because Tony Hawk is an icon. How was it, you know, interviewing Tony Hawk?

**Jordan Harbinger** (1:40)
It was great. He's a really interesting guy, really open and fun. And he told some pretty funny stories, one which was very apropos of what's going on right now is one day he walked into his agent or some sort of marketing team that he'd hired. He walked into their office. This is like at the height of video games where he's making, I don't know, well, 50 million bucks off these skating games and these brands. And he goes in and he says, look, I got this backpack that was made pretty shoddily and it's got my name and face on it. I don't want any more stuff like that. And as the agent, marketer, whatever, is sort of nodding his head in understanding, Tony goes, wait, what's that on your shelf? And it was a roll of toilet paper with Tony Hawk's name, face, and logo on it. And he goes, what the hell is that?
And the guy goes, oh, yeah, anything we put your name and face on does so well. We were joking that we could put your face on toilet paper and we'd still be able to sell it. And he fired them on the spot because it was clear that they didn't value his brand, which I thought was a funny story. He's got a ton of stuff like that that he talked about on the show.

**Sam** (2:42)
That is epic. You know, I actually met Tony Hawk. We went on a trip to Africa, a charity trip together.
And believe it or not, we were halfway up a mountain in Ethiopia where, you know, it's like this is a mountain village and somebody saw him there and they were like, Tony Hawk, you know, that's probably the only English word they said to us all day. They identified Tony Hawk on a mountain in Ethiopia. That's how famous that guy is. So that's an amazing guest to have on the show.

**Jordan Harbinger** (3:07)
Imagine being that famous that you get recognized in the middle of countries where like nobody speaks your language and they maybe don't even have skateboards.

**Sam** (3:14)
Yeah, we were there trying to give people clean water. They didn't even have water, but they knew Tony Hawk. That's how famous that guy is.

**Jordan Harbinger** (3:19)
Amazing.

**Sam** (3:20)
Awesome. Well, if you want to hear more from Jordan, we're going to be having him on more and more. He's a friend of the house.