#457 Top Oral Peptides for Tissue Regeneration and Healing

Kyal (0:00)

American football, at any sport really, UFC being probably the epitome in boxing, having that peptide or the neuropeptides, like Dikexera P21, Cerebral Lycine, having those preventively or immediately after those events would just be an amazing way to protect the athlete for the rest of their life. But about 80% of what you take as far as the BPC goes, 80 to 90 will be absorbed if you use that form. Then there's other ones, like all the growth hormones, secretagogs, you know, CJC, and hippomoral, and none of these are going to work orally. They need to be injected.

Siim Land (0:31)

Kyal, welcome to the show.

Kyal (0:34)

Thanks for having me on, Siim. Nice to be on, and I've been a fan of yours for years, and listened to your YouTube videos and podcasts, so it's an honor for me to be on here chatting with you.

Siim Land (0:44)

Yeah, and I'm also excited because you have a very interesting peptide company, which does things a bit differently than other peptide companies, and a lot of very fascinating cutting-edge ingredients and peptides that will go through in this podcast. But maybe we can start with... My biggest question is, so you're based in Australia or companies in Australia, what is the situation with the government and the legal stuff with peptides in Australia, because the peptides aren't like your regular GNC supplements that you can get?

Kyal (1:20)

Yeah, so the business is no longer in Australia. To be very clear about that, we had BPC 157 get banned in June of 2024, which was when I first visited America with the brand. So since then, we had to stop selling the peptides to Australia, and then we've transitioned to have all manufacturing in America, and the business has operated from there now. So where the regulations in Australia were very restrictive, they always have been around supplements in general, but peptides actually got, some of them got banned all the way back as early as 2006 Ones like Thymus and Beta-4, TB 500 got banned because a professional sporting team, a football team in Australia, were using it on all their athletes and getting significant muscle gain and recovery results, and did incredibly well. And then they investigated that they were injecting all these peptides, which the media treated as if they were injecting testosterone or something credibly illegal or that's clear violation. So they retrospectively banned peptides and banned all the players for using them, for gaining an unfair advantage. They were using things like CJC, TB 500, and even injectable things like colostrum and ginseng too. They were doing some advanced biohacking back nearly 20 years ago now. And that was kind of my first ever introduction to peptides. And it wasn't particularly a nice one because the Australian media made them out to be these horrible things that are going to cause all manner of side effects and problems. But here we are 20 years later, and now everyone's talking about peptides, which is good, but very frustrating in my former country that they had such a closed-minded nature to it and tried to cut the head off the snake all the way back then.

Siim Land (3:11)

Yeah, it's very fascinating because pretty much all the pro athletes use it. Like a lot of them, in UFC, you probably have every one of them use BPC and other peptides to support recovery and tissue repair. So a lot of these pro athletes use it with their coaches, but the government still kind of tried to... I don't know what's the issue is like.

Is it something related to lack of research or is it something just fear or ignorance or not knowing what these peptides actually are? Because yeah, they're not testosterone, they're not anabolic, they're not performance enhancing drugs, they're amino acid chains that are relatively benign.

Kyal (4:00)

Yeah, exactly, they're naturally occurring, they're bioidentical to what our body makes naturally. So why ban them? Well, my first immediate thing is the pharmaceutical companies want to modify them like they have GLP-1s, like they're trying to do now. And you can't make a drug if it's naturally occurring and readily available. So in my opinion, they're trying to now ban them, meanwhile spending millions of dollars developing drug like peptides. As soon as BPC-157 can be done the same way GLPs are, where you may be injected or you take it and it lasts a whole week, then you know for damn sure that every pharmaceutical company that can do it will be doing that and making similar amounts of money as they have with the GLP-1s, maybe less. So that's as an overarching theme, probably why. But yeah, I do have to acknowledge as a lack of human studies, there's been a few going around, but none of them are really long-term, and nor will there be unless companies like mine and others collaborate and spend a lot of money doing those multi-million-dollar extended trials on peptides. No one's willing to spend that when it's just going to get used by every single company that does it. Essentially, you're just giving away money, which would be a good thing. The only way I could see it happening is if someone like RFK or someone that minded decided that the government is going to spend money researching these things, because from a private business perspective, and even a research perspective, you're not going to be able to patent what you spent millions of dollars studying. Therefore, why would you do it and just essentially give money to other companies?