#419 – Sam Altman: OpenAI, GPT-5, Sora, Board Saga, Elon Musk, Ilya, Power & AGI

**Lex Fridman** (0:00)
The following is a conversation with Sam Altman, his second time in the podcast. He is the CEO of OpenAI, the company behind GPT-4, ChatGPT, Sora, and perhaps one day, the very company that will build AGI. And now, a quick few second mention of each sponsor. Check them out in the description. It's the best way to support this podcast. We got a new sponsor, better cloaked for protecting your personal information, Shopify for selling stuff online, better help for helping out your mind, and ExpressVPN for protecting your privacy and security on the interwebs. Choose wisely, my friends. Also, if you want to work with our amazing team, we're always hiring, or if you just want to get in touch with me, go to lexfreedman.com/contact.
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