#347 Pierogi - Shawn Ryan and Scammer Payback Troll Scammers LIVE
The Shawn Ryan Show
October 12, 2026
Pierogi is the creator and host of Scammer Payback, one of the largest scam-baiting platforms online. After leaving a career in cybersecurity, he began exposing scam operations by infiltrating their systems, disrupting fraudulent networks, and educating the public on how scammers manipulate victims.
Speakers Shawn Ryan, Pierogi
TopicsPhilosophySociety & Culture
Shawn Ryan (0:00)
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Pierogi (1:34)
What do you want, Mr. Egan?
Shawn Ryan (1:37)
I want my life back.
Pierogi (1:41)
On October 23rd, the procedure is causing troubling physical changes.
Shawn Ryan (1:45)
What's happening to me?
Pierogi (1:47)
Look fear, you have to learn to control it. In the face, I have no idea who you are anymore.
Shawn Ryan (1:55)
Tell me who you want me to be. Clayface, only theaters October 23rd.
Pierogi (2:02)
We did all.
Shawn Ryan (2:08)
Pierogi, welcome to the show, man.
Pierogi (2:10)
Thank you.
Shawn Ryan (2:11)
Thanks for being here.
Pierogi (2:12)
So excited to be here, man.
Shawn Ryan (2:14)
I'm pumped.
Pierogi (2:15)
Yeah.
Shawn Ryan (2:15)
So our mutual friend, really good friend of mine, and I think good friend of yours, Ryan Montgomery, put you on my radar like a year or two ago. And yeah, it took a minute, but I'm pumped that you're here.
Pierogi (2:32)
We're so happy.
It's cool when you have like a mutual friend and brings two people together. And I respect Ryan so much, and I respect the work that you do as well.
Shawn Ryan (2:43)
Thank you.
Pierogi (2:43)
And your service to this amazing country. And we were just even talking about that beforehand. And I'm like, oh my gosh, just the stories.
The, what you've done to serve this country, I'm very grateful and thankful for. So a lot of respect.
Shawn Ryan (2:59)
Thank you.
Pierogi (2:59)
Yeah.
Shawn Ryan (3:00)
And yeah, I love what you do.
Pierogi (3:04)
Thanks, man.
Shawn Ryan (3:04)
And so, you know, like so for anybody that doesn't know, you take care of scammers.
Pierogi (3:10)
Yeah.
Shawn Ryan (3:10)
And interestingly enough, my chief of staff here just got scammed.
Pierogi (3:17)
Oh my gosh.
Shawn Ryan (3:18)
And drained her life savings.
And yeah, in the, even on the caller ID, the bank was USAA. It's even on the caller ID, said USAA and they called her husband and whatever ran him through a gauntlet. And yeah, you know what I mean?
Pierogi (3:34)
And how recent, like a few days recent or like, like a month ago.
Wow. We can maybe investigate that if you want. Like, I'll see you right on.
Shawn Ryan (3:48)
Well, I think, yeah, I'll I'll have you talk to her. But but yeah, it was you. How did they do that? How did they get USAA to pop up on the caller ID like these guys are pretty good.
Pierogi (4:00)
Like, they can spoof, just like we can even spoof numbers. You can spoof the number. And some of the times they'll actually have the victim, like they'll say, like, take your debit card and then the number on the back, like punch it in. But they're still on the phone with the scammer. And the scammer will like mute the line and then say, oh, this is Brian with USAA.
And then the person thinks they're talking to USAA, but it's literally like another scammer sitting next to them. But then they do spoofing of phone numbers as well.
Shawn Ryan (4:32)
What do you mean, spoof?
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