#331 Scott Payne - FBI Undercover Agent Reveals the Most Disturbing Cases of His Career

**Shawn Ryan** (0:05)
Scott Payne.

**Scott Payne** (0:06)
Sir.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:07)
Welcome to the show, man.

**Scott Payne** (0:08)
Thank you for having me.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:09)
Thank you for coming.

**Scott Payne** (0:10)
Finally.
Finally. I feel like the Rock. Finally. The Scott is on The Shawn Ryan Show.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:19)
Man, I've been pumped for this.

**Scott Payne** (0:20)
Well, thanks, man. I am, too.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:22)
Let me start you out with an introduction here.

**Scott Payne** (0:25)
All right.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:28)
Here we go.
Scott Payne, your retired FBI undercover agent who spent more than two decades infiltrating drug traffickers, outlaw motorcycle clubs, human traffickers, and violent extremist organizations. Over the course of your FBI career, you led dozens of undercover operations as the primary agent, when most agents at the time might lead only a handful. Last year, you became a New York Times bestselling author with the release of your memoir, code name Pale Horse. Welcome to the show.

**Scott Payne** (1:02)
Thanks, man.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:03)
My pleasure. So a couple things to knock out here real quick. Everybody gets a gift.

**Scott Payne** (1:08)
Uh-huh.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:11)
Nice.

**Scott Payne** (1:13)
Oh.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:14)
Vigilance Elite gummy bears.

**Scott Payne** (1:15)
Perfect. Excellent.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:17)
Candy. There's no funny business in them, other than a bunch of sugar and other shit that's in there.

**Scott Payne** (1:22)
The yellow, what is it, yellow dialing in?

**Shawn Ryan** (1:24)
Yellow five, yeah.

**Scott Payne** (1:25)
Yeah.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:25)
It's probably in there.

**Scott Payne** (1:26)
It's probably in there, yeah.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:28)
But, and then we got a Patreon account.
They've been with me since the beginning when I started this thing in my attic and it was just me and my wife. We couldn't make any damn money. Yeah. And they've been here with us ever since then, all the way up to now. So they're the reason I get to sit down with you today.

**Scott Payne** (1:46)
Excellent.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:47)
And so one of the things I do is I offer them the opportunity to ask every single guest a question.
So here we go. This is from Ron Sorrentino. Excuse me. Scott, working undercover and dealing with the world's... Excuse me. Scott, working undercover and dealing with the worst of the worst the world has to offer. Was there a time when you wanted to stop or you felt you were in too deep?

**Scott Payne** (2:20)
I don't think so. I don't think I was at the top of my head, but there's some other things I can say about that. Sometimes it's tough to realize when it's time to pull out. You know, it's like pull chocks and say, hey, we've got everything we need. This is too dangerous, whatever.
But yeah, he said the worst of the worst. And what was he asking?

**Shawn Ryan** (2:40)
He said, was there a time when you wanted to stop or you felt you were in too deep?

**Scott Payne** (2:45)
Okay. As far as a time I wanted to stop, sometimes, we'll probably talk about it, but my body told me it was time to stop. I didn't want to stop mentally, but my body said, you're done.
And anything to do with the child stuff, the pedophiles and stuff, and picking those, yeah, I want out. I've trained agents. I've been their training agent and they were working that stuff. As an undercover coordinator, I might be helping and helping them on the covert side. But as far as working that violation and looking at that stuff daily, I can't. Yeah. That's not me. Now, I've been hired. I've been undercover and a pedophile hired me to kill the kid he molested.
You know.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:36)
What?

**Scott Payne** (3:37)
Yeah. I was happy to do that one. I'm like, yeah, let's get you buddy. Time to go to jail.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:43)
He hired you to kill the kid he molested? Yeah.

**Scott Payne** (3:46)
It's actually been a bad plan as far as murder for hires go, that I've been a part of.
He knew that he was going to be bad in prison. So while he was in jail in San Antonio, Texas, he solicited a gang member to help him find somebody that could murder this kid. Well, maybe the general public doesn't know it, but in jail, it's all sharks, and they're looking for blood in the water. What I mean by that is if you can get credit for something and shorten your time, as soon as you get that information, you're on the phone calling your lawyer saying, I got something good, and that's how we kind of find out. But yeah, I went in and met the guy. I only did two meetings, but I met him, showed him a picture of the kid, make sure it was the one, and he was greedy. He actually, I kind of giggled because it caught me off guard, but when we're talking about murdering the kid, he said, yeah, and I'd like you to kill the rest of his family too, and they're like in Wisconsin, and I'm like, let's deal with one at a time, but I'm not afraid to travel. Let's talk about money and stuff, but yeah.