#320 Danny Goler - Apple Vision Pro May Have Captured Something We CAN'T Explain

**Shawn Ryan** (0:05)
Danny Goler, welcome to the show, man.

**Danny Goler** (0:08)
Shawn, thank you so much for having me.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:10)
My pleasure.
So I had Chase Hughes on, and he brought up this laser DMT kind of experiment. I don't even know what we call it, but really caught my attention. Love Chase Hughes too, by the way.

**Danny Goler** (0:23)
He's a great guy, he's a good friend, yeah.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:26)
And then we had this reel that went viral about the DMT laser thing, and our mutual friend Rich, I'll leave his last name out of it, but he texted me right away, he's like, holy shit, you know Danny? And I was like, no, I don't. And he's like, you got to meet him, da, da, da, da, da. And so dude, I'm stoked you're here.

**Danny Goler** (0:46)
Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate that.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:48)
My pleasure. My pleasure. But yeah, let me start you off with an introduction, because I know once we get into this thing, it's just going to go.

**Danny Goler** (0:57)
But this is water, right?

**Shawn Ryan** (0:59)
This is water. Danny Goler, you're an independent researcher and the founder of Code of Reality, an interdisciplinary initiative exploring what you call cognitive physics, the intersection where mind and matter meet. Through Code of Reality, you bring together scientists, philosophers, technologists, and indigenous wisdom keepers to investigate the relationship between consciousness and the nature of reality. Ultimately, your goal is to advance a more holistic science of consciousness, one that can exist alongside and complement mainstream physics. It's going to be an awesome interview.
So before we get started, a couple of things real quick. Everybody gets a gift.

**Danny Goler** (1:47)
Let's go. Thank you so much.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:48)
Vigilance Elite gummy bears. There's no DMT in those, unfortunately, but they are legal in all 50 states.

**Danny Goler** (1:55)
Thank you.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:56)
And made in Michigan. And then I have a Patreon account. You familiar with Patreon?

**Danny Goler** (2:02)
Of course, yeah, I have a little YouTube channel. So yeah, I also have a little Patreon.

**Shawn Ryan** (2:06)
Oh, nice.
So Patreon, they're the reason I get to sit down here with you today. And they've been with us since the beginning. So they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question.

**Danny Goler** (2:17)
Sure thing.

**Shawn Ryan** (2:19)
So this is from JB.
Christians believe there are angels and demons among us. Some people claim to have seen them. Is there any evidence in your research with DMT that this spirit realm exists? And do you believe in angels and demons?

**Danny Goler** (2:36)
Yeah, that's a great question.
The short answer is yes.
But I don't think that the nature of those is as straightforward as people think. So it's clear to me at this point that way more exists than just the realm that we're perceiving. And for religious people, this is not a surprise, because they do believe that there's a realm beyond. And in fact, this whole life is some form of getting into the right place with the right people. So I think that with DMT, it's a little bit more surprising than people would expect, because what you see is not necessarily the kind of classical demonic versus angelic. It's more like a very large array of species that you experience. And you can, it doesn't always happen. But if you do, then there's all kinds, including what I guess you would call demonic and angelic. I've experienced both, by the way.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:37)
Really?

**Danny Goler** (3:37)
So yeah, but you also have the insectoids, the reptilians, the jokers. There's all kinds of, and they're very clearly distinct from one another. So they're very different.
But yes, that demonic part and the angelic part, they're also there. I would say though, that one of the things that I've seen is that they actually co-exist, so to speak. So it's almost like, if you want to use a very dumbed down example, if they're going to work on a bus, they're all kind of just sitting together. There's no segregation in that way, but everybody are still following some rules. Sometimes somebody is trying to break the rules, but even what you would call the demonic entities, we just had some conversation about this with your crew, about sleep paralysis, for example, where people feel like a demon is sitting on their chest or something like this, or a witch or something like this. I was saying that very often if you have these darker experiences, especially if you're a religious person, you can set up a very clear boundary. You can say things like, in the name of Jesus Christ, I'm setting a boundary right here or in my body, and nothing is allowed, but you have to state it. So you have to invoke the boundary, and you have to be clear about that. The second you do that, something happens, almost like they're incapable of entering it anymore, or they're not allowed to such a degree that, it's almost like nobody wants to find out what happens if you cross that line.