#314 Jen Lilley - The Dark Truth About the American Foster Care System

**Shawn Ryan** (0:00)
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Jen Lilley, welcome to the show.

**Jen Lilley** (3:37)
Thank you so much for having me on.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:39)
My pleasure, it's gonna be an honor. I know it will be.

**Jen Lilley** (3:42)
That's very sweet.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:42)
We're doing good stuff.

**Jen Lilley** (3:44)
No, I need to tell you before we even like start the whole question situation, I wanna honor you for talking about this subject, because this is a topic that people do not like to talk about.
It's uncomfortable, it's something that's out of control, it's not a convenient topic. And to be honest, it's a conversation I don't like to have, even though I'm an advocate, because it is so uncomfortable. But it's something that desperately needs sunlight. And so I just wanna thank you so much for talking about it and tackling this issue. And I really think that this episode's gonna change people's hearts, minds, and a lot of children's lives. So thank you.

**Shawn Ryan** (4:25)
You're welcome. I hope it does. This is kind of turned into my specialty for whatever reason. So, no, honestly, kids is what I'm most passionate about. It was veterans, then it was a bunch of other stuff. And then after sifting through the fucked up world that we live in...

**Jen Lilley** (4:47)
It's unbelievable.

**Shawn Ryan** (4:49)
It's kids, it's sex exploitation, trafficking. You know, and I was having a conversation with my wife, I don't know, maybe a year ago, six months to a year ago. And this really is my passion. I mean, I kind of blew the doors off with this, who's now my best friend, Brian Montgomery.