#293 Jeremiah Johnston - Codex Vaticanus, Book of Enoch and the Resurrection of Jesus

**SPEAKER_1** (0:00)
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**Shawn Ryan** (0:20)
Dr. Jeremiah Johnston, welcome to the show.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (0:23)
Thanks for having me, Shawn.

**Shawn Ryan** (0:26)
You're welcome. It's an honor to have you.
And we've been looking at you for a long time, and I just thought this would be the perfect interview for Easter. So we do a Christmas interview, Thanksgiving interview, Easter interview. We embrace all the holidays here. Absolutely. And so we really try to do something really meaningful, especially on Christmas and Easter. And the Shroud of Turin is something that I've been interested in for a long time. In fact, our mutual friend, Lee Strobel, I believe is the first person that brought it up to me.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (1:03)
Right.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:03)
And I was just fascinated. So thank you for coming.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (1:07)
Absolutely. And he is a risen brother.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:09)
That's right. You want to start with a prayer?

**Jeremiah Johnston** (1:12)
I would love that.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:13)
How about you lead it?

**Jeremiah Johnston** (1:14)
I would be honored.

**Shawn Ryan** (1:15)
Perfect.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (1:16)
Jesus, you're King of Kings and Lord of Lords. And what we're about to discuss has utterly transformed my life. I pray for every person watching and listening that they would find the hope that the tomb is empty, that you're alive forever. And so we can have a living, undying, undiminished hope. I pray, Lord, that in this conversation, I can minister to Shawn. I pray you'd bless him and meet him at his greatest point of need right now.
And Father, we pray that as we share, we would know, Lord God, that it's not by might, it's not by power, but it's by your Spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. So we start now by just giving you the glory and asking you to bless this conversation, especially at this wonderful Easter season. And Lord, we say, come soon, Lord Jesus. And we quote John 14, 19, you said, because I live, you will live also. So thank you for everything you're going to do. We know that this conversation is going to impact the world. We're excited about it. In Jesus' name. Amen.

**SPEAKER_4** (2:14)
Amen.

**Shawn Ryan** (2:16)
Thank you.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (2:17)
Thank you.

**Shawn Ryan** (2:20)
So let me give you an introduction here. Dr. Jeremiah Johnston, President and Founder of Christian Thinker Society and serve as a pastor of apologetics and cultural engagement at Prestonwood Baptist Church near Dallas, Texas. A Ph.D. from Middlesex University in the United Kingdom, where you completed your doctoral residency at Oxford. An elected member of Studiorum Novi Testamenti Societis, the most prestigious New Testament scholarly guild in the world. Author of 15 books, including Body of Proof, The Seven Best Reasons to Believe in the Resurrection of Jesus, and the brand new release, Congratulations.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (3:04)
Thank you.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:04)
Books right there. The Jesus Discoveries. 10 Historic Finds That Bring Us Face-to-Face with Jesus. Examined ancient manuscripts with your own hands all around the world. You're married to Audrey. You're the father of five children, including triplet boys.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (3:23)
I haven't slept in nine years since I was one.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:26)
I got two and I haven't slept. And I already said this, but, you know, Lee Strobel, I believe you consider him a mentor.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (3:35)
I do your friend.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:36)
I do too. And Lee is awesome. In fact, there's this...

**Jeremiah Johnston** (3:40)
I saw that.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:41)
You saw the book up there?

**Jeremiah Johnston** (3:42)
I saw a swag up there.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:43)
Right on, man. And yeah, once again, this is, we're releasing this on Easter. And I just, I mean, it's all about the resurrection.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (3:53)
That's right.

**Shawn Ryan** (3:54)
And so this is really the perfect episode for that. But so before we get too into it, I found out you spoke at Davos at the World Economic Forum.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (4:05)
That's right.

**Shawn Ryan** (4:07)
How the hell did you get invited to that place? I mean, that's one of those places where I, I mean, I probably shouldn't say this. Probably get blasted.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (4:17)
I've been blasted already.

**Shawn Ryan** (4:18)
Jesus just doesn't get mentioned much at the World Economic Forum. In fact, I don't think there's very many people over there that believe in him.

**Jeremiah Johnston** (4:24)
Well, you did a really great show recently with the Exorcist, and he mentioned the Antichrist quite a bit, and my wife let me know at Davos. I was giving the gospel to all the people that are going to work with the Antichrist someday.