#2546 - Michael Button

**Joe Rogan** (0:00)
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**Jamie** (1:29)
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**SPEAKER_3** (1:35)
Hey, good to see you, brother.

**Joe Rogan** (1:37)
What's going on?

**Michael Button** (1:37)
Good, man. It's been a wild year for me.

**Joe Rogan** (1:41)
I bet it has been.

**Michael Button** (1:43)
Since I was last here, I mean, I've seen my YouTube grow to numbers I couldn't have imagined before. I've met so many cool people. I've managed to get to a point where it's now my job to research and investigate ancient history and the vast mysteries of our past. And yeah, I mean, that's something I was doing for free before. So the fact that I'm now able to do that full time is just an immense privilege. And I'm so grateful to everyone that's helped me get there, including you.

**Joe Rogan** (2:11)
Well, you're putting out fantastic content.

**Michael Button** (2:13)
Thank you.

**Joe Rogan** (2:14)
And it's such an interesting subject. And the giant blind spot that the mainstream archaeologists have left has allowed all these people to go through and get a much larger audience even than them.

**Michael Button** (2:30)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (2:31)
And it's really important when someone like you does it, because you're so thorough and you're so objective and you're so measured in the way you describe these things and talk about these things. There's no fantastic claims, no hyperbole. It's all very well laid out. And even when you go to extreme possibilities of these things, it's very measured. So I really appreciate that.

**Michael Button** (2:53)
Well, thank you. I appreciate you saying that. And yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm always trying to make it as good as I possibly can. And I try and listen to what people say and try to improve. And I don't think I've reached the peak of where I could possibly be, but I'm trying my hardest. But it's not just that. I mean, as you say, I think there are so many people out there. And now that I'm in this position, I've seen it firsthand. There are millions and millions of people around the world that are deeply fascinated by these questions, by the vast mysteries of our past.

**Joe Rogan** (3:21)
As well as they should be. And they also know that we're getting a very narrow version of it from mainstream academics. And they're so determined to cling to their timelines and cling to this notion that anything new that's discovered by people outside of their little circle can't be accurate. And I think that's so silly.

**Michael Button** (3:43)
Yeah, I mean, I think someone like me has the kind of advantage of the fact that because I didn't continue my career in academia, or I wasn't in academia, but that was the pathway that I was on. Because I've gone independent now, I kind of have the freedom, if you like, to talk about these ideas in a much more open way than maybe I wouldn't have been able to if I was still in academia, because I'm not restricted by funding or I'm not restricted by even the pressures of people working in academia hating on me. I mean, I get a lot of hate anyway, but I think I have that freedom to almost come at things from a completely open-minded perspective and speak about these ideas without any restrictions. And I think that is the advantage that I have, that academics perhaps don't.
So yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm in a great place.