#2531 - Forrest Galante

**Joe Rogan** (0:01)
Joe Rogan Podcast, checking in.

**Forrest Galante** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience. Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Joe Rogan** (0:12)
My friend, Joe, it's good to see you, man.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:15)
Bro, it's good to see you.

**Joe Rogan** (0:16)
So, I've been sending you stuff, because I knew that you were coming on, and I sent you that one, that video of the guy who got a trail cam photo of a Black Panther.
So, is that just a melanistic mountain lion? What is that?

**SPEAKER_3** (0:31)
It's a great question. There's never been a melanistic mountain lion. Nobody's ever seen one, ever. Never hit one with a car, never born one in captivity, nothing.
So, mountain lions, by definition, pumas, whatever you want to call them, there's never been a Black one, ever. But every year, I mean, I got a buddy in Florida who swears blind that he's seen a Black mountain lion in his backyard. And yet, that photo that you sent me, that photo circulates like once every three years.

**Joe Rogan** (0:59)
It's bullshit?

**SPEAKER_3** (1:00)
It's bullshit. It's a real photo, but it's a trail cam photo. Oh, it wasn't this one.

**Joe Rogan** (1:04)
Well, I think that's the first one. And then there's another one with the cat gets like right up to the lens. Yeah, that one.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:11)
So that photo is a real, I want to say jaguar, it's hard to tell, but either jaguar or Black leopard, both of which do become melanistic.
And you can tell that because you can see the spots barely, like the rosettes. So all these melanistic cats like jags and leopards and things that do get melanistic, they still have those rosettes under the black coat. Yeah, so not a mountain lion.

**Joe Rogan** (1:33)
Too bad.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:34)
I know, it's such a bummer. One day if somebody finds one, that'll be like a huge thing scientifically.

**Joe Rogan** (1:39)
But it's not funny that we want it to be different, because just a mountain lion itself is amazing. I mean, if they were all black and there was like a tan mountain lion, be like, somebody saw a tan mountain lion.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:49)
100%, it's like whatever is different and rare is what people just are like, I want that one thing.

**Joe Rogan** (1:54)
I've always said that about Bigfoot. Yeah, the Bigfoot is kind of interesting, but not as interesting as an orca.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:00)
100%, like we have gorillas that are cooler than Bigfoot.

**Joe Rogan** (2:03)
Well, orcas in particular, because they have languages that we can't decipher.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:08)
Languages, specialized diets, some kind, I'm sure you know us, can't even talk to each other. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Like it's the same as if you or I went to India or Africa, it's like we can't communicate, we don't eat the same food, we look different, and yet to us an orca is an orca.

**Joe Rogan** (2:23)
Right. And it's super smart and huge brains and don't kill people for some strange reason, except when they're in captivity.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:30)
That's right. Yeah, which is so crazy. I did a thing in Baja, Mexico, maybe three years ago, where we were just cruising on this little pongo, this little fishing boat, and we saw these orcas go by.
And now people seem to be doing it a lot, but at the time it was like nobody had really just tried this. And this was a transient population, which means they primarily eat seals and sea lions, not the stingray eaters. And so we were like, fuck it, let's just go. And we ran the boat up ahead and jumped in, and the orcas came up, and the bull never came out. So you know the bull has a huge fin, he's the biggest, the dominant protector of the pod. But the cows and their babies came up, and the boat drifted away, and me and my buddy Mike, and they just circled us, just looking at us with their big eyeballs. And it was me to you from orcas. And they did like two circles around us, like, what are these things? Then we're just like, meh, boring, and kept swimming.

**Joe Rogan** (3:21)
They must know, right? If they're that intelligent, and they have language, and they communicate, they must know what a person is, right? I think I... Look at this.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:30)
Oh, dude, I saw the guy that filmed this. This is so crazy.

**Joe Rogan** (3:32)
Orca headbutts a sunfish? So hard it explodes?

**SPEAKER_3** (3:35)
Boom, turns into pieces. So this is a newly documented behavior. Just in the last maybe six months, they've found that orcas will literally explode fish from impact, whether it's a game or what, but they're finding that this is not the first time this is done, they're doing this. They're starting to just explode these fish on impact, just because.