#2515 - Chase Hughes

**Chase Hughes** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Joe Rogan** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:14)
Hey, Joe.

**Joe Rogan** (0:14)
Good to see you.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:15)
Good to see you, man.

**Joe Rogan** (0:16)
What's happening? How are you?

**SPEAKER_3** (0:17)
Good. Been really good. Just got in Austin last night.

**Joe Rogan** (0:20)
I watched these videos of you describing this intravenous DMT experience, and the first thing I said is, I need to talk to this guy about that. Like, that seems like one of the most insane descriptions of anything that anybody's ever experienced that I've ever seen online.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:40)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (0:41)
So tell me about this experience.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:43)
So it's DMT, and this guy makes it, and they put it into a pump, and it's like an anesthesia pump that you'd have in like an operating room.
And essentially, they can adjust your like milliliters per hour dose like they would use for anesthesia. And like they launch you off, you're laying, the space is beautiful. They hold the space really well. And they can-

**Joe Rogan** (1:14)
What do you mean by that? They hold the space really well.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:15)
Like it's a beautiful space, like there's this amazing place where you lay down in the middle of the room. It's like on a really soft pillow thing. And great music on, and like it's very calm. And these people are just unbelievably calm and good human beings to take you through the experience. And the cool thing about this pump is that you can adjust your altitude. So like you could be in the middle of this and say, I need to go up more, I want to come down. If you need to take a pee break, they'll like pull you down. You kind of go on to the runway and then you go pee and you come back and you launch right back up as high as you want to go, as fast as you want to go. So it's five and a half hours.
And we did, I did one pee break. But it is, it's DMT, like the highest you can feel on DMT, like the most you can see on DMT, but it's five and a half hours of that. And the next time I go back, we're going to mix Alzheimer's drugs with this. Why?
To see how much I can bring back, to see if it improves like the retrieval. Like, cause you know, like when you, when you're in the DMT space, you're like, I have access to all this stuff. Like, oh my God, I wish I could bring this back. I want to bring this back so bad.

**Joe Rogan** (2:41)
And it seems like we're protected from bringing it back.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:44)
It does, it does.

**Joe Rogan** (2:45)
Like a dream.
There's real similar comparisons to the dream state. The dream state is very strange. I've had profound dreams or really bizarre dreams. And when I wake up, they're so crystal clear. And I go to take a pee, I have a cup of coffee. I can't remember them anymore. I barely can grip them. They just slide through your fingers.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:11)
It's like there is a protective layer there.

**Joe Rogan** (3:15)
It seems like it has to be, because if there was anything that you experienced in the regular conscious state that was that profound, you would remember it forever.
Just think of a great thing, just UFC fight this weekend. I remember everything. Oh my God, it's so like drilled into my brain. And that is like nothing compared to a DMT experience.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:36)
Yeah.
And it just seems like I've never met someone who's done DMT that would just call, oh yeah, it's a psychedelic. It's a hallucination. I've never met anybody that's actually done it. And then we'll just go back and say, I hallucinated something.

**Joe Rogan** (3:51)
There's a few people that say that. I've actually, I've read this one piece by this guy.
I forget his discipline. I forget what a serious academic and his position after, I think he did like a hundred DMT trips. And his position was that this is all being concocted by your visual cortex and your brain and your imagination. That was his position, but.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:15)
I mean, why wouldn't you go to Walmart on a DMT trip then?

**Joe Rogan** (4:19)
Or Target? I don't think that's what, I just think, you know, because it's very disorienting and you know, you really should sit still.
But I think that there's contrarians out there.

**SPEAKER_3** (4:30)
I mean, like in the DMT space, why don't you just see a Target or a 7-Eleven or something?