#2513 - Dean Radin

**Joe Rogan** (0:00)
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**Dean Radin** (2:16)
Joe Rogan Podcast, checking out The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Joe Rogan** (2:20)
Shrink by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Thank you for being here.

**Dean Radin** (2:28)
Good to be here.

**Joe Rogan** (2:29)
I'm excited to talk to you. Did you maybe manifest this conversation somehow?

**Dean Radin** (2:34)
Maybe.

**Joe Rogan** (2:37)
I've seen a bunch of your talks online.
First of all, let's start from the beginning. What is your background?

**Dean Radin** (2:47)
I thought I'd give you a 45-year arc in about three minutes.

**Joe Rogan** (2:53)
Perfect.

**Dean Radin** (2:54)
Because then there's a lot of places you can get into it. So I started out as a musician, violin, up until about halfway through college. Then I realized to be a musician means you have to be an athlete, because you're making your living with your body.
No one told me that up through until I finally decided, I don't think I want to make my living with my body, because I've never been very strong. More importantly, you also need to have a lot of stamina, and I didn't have that.

**Joe Rogan** (3:23)
You weren't interested in gaining it?

**Dean Radin** (3:25)
I couldn't. I have a genetic mutation that created.
Like most people, when they exercise, you feel really good afterwards. I feel really exhausted, and I never understood why until many years later I realized that I have something called Gilbert syndrome, which is a mutation of a liver enzyme, and you have no recovery time.

**Joe Rogan** (3:48)
Whoa.

**Dean Radin** (3:49)
Yeah. So...

**Joe Rogan** (3:50)
Is there anything they can do for that?

**Dean Radin** (3:53)
Other than something like genetic engineering, which I've never heard anybody try yet, the answer is no.

**Joe Rogan** (3:58)
I've never heard of that condition before, I don't think.

**Dean Radin** (4:01)
Yeah. It's... There's some missing enzymes and more importantly, the bilirubin, which is unconjugated bilirubin.
You have way too much of it. So there's an upside and a downside. The downside is that there... You can't recover from exercise quickly, and so there's a lot of fatigue that happens. The upside is that unconjugated bilirubin is an antioxidant.
It's one of the most natural antioxidant. So my cardiovascular system is like a 20-year-old. Oh.

**Joe Rogan** (4:32)
So you got your pros and your cons with this.

**Dean Radin** (4:35)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (4:35)
Have you ever tried exercising in very small doses, like throughout the day?

**Dean Radin** (4:41)
Well, I walk every day. So that's my primary exercise.

**Joe Rogan** (4:45)
That's always great exercise.

**Dean Radin** (4:46)
Yeah. If I walk too fast, too hard, I will feel it for the next three or four days.

**Joe Rogan** (4:53)
Wow. So too fast, too hard, too long?

**Dean Radin** (4:57)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (4:57)
So what if you do like two pushups, and then just do two pushups like four hours later, and then two pushups like four hours later?