#2508 - Joe Eszterhas

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Joe Eszterhas** (0:13)
Okay, let's rock and roll.

**Joe Rogan** (0:14)
You need the headphones?

**Joe Eszterhas** (0:15)
I've never.

**Joe Rogan** (0:16)
No?

**Joe Eszterhas** (0:16)
Okay. If it's okay with you, I know I've seen it both ways.

**Joe Rogan** (0:21)
No, you don't have to wear them.

**Joe Eszterhas** (0:22)
Okay.

**Joe Rogan** (0:23)
You were telling me about your cane. That cane is amazing.

**Joe Eszterhas** (0:26)
It's amazing. It's carved by the Dogan people who were in Mali. And the... There's a family that's been doing it for 100 years, and many of them were killed in the Rwandan Wars.
It's heavy. It's beautifully done, I think. And it's been a close companion of mine for many years. It seems to be indestructible.

**Joe Rogan** (0:52)
It's pretty awesome-looking. It looks heavy. The Dogon people have a very strange origin story. It's a fascinating origin story that involves, is it, it evolves like, here it is. That's, I didn't want to misspeak. So here it is.
Centers on the Supreme Creator Amma and the Cosmic Journey of the amphibious water spirits known as the Noma. So they have this crazy cosmic origin story that's a part of their mythology.
Amma then attempted to procreate with the earth, but the pairing was flawed. It's like a very strange descendant of the Ark. According to the Dogon traditions, the Noma descended to earth from the Sirius star system and a giant ark-like vessel. The vessel contained the eight original human ancestors, along with the seeds and animals needed to populate the world.

**Joe Eszterhas** (1:52)
Those are the Dogon people. It's amazing. I didn't know that. It's a crazy story. I have a daughter who is a nature photographer. I mean, does a lot of work in Africa.
And she knows all about that stuff.

**Joe Rogan** (2:07)
So you were telling me before we got rolling, I said save this for the air, that Vladimir Zelinsky and his wife have seen Basic Instinct how many times?

**Joe Eszterhas** (2:15)
Fifteen, at least fifteen. There's a recent biography that said that, that began when they were recording and that they had known each other before. And one day she saw him with this tape in his hand. She said, what is it? And he said, Basic Instinct. And they saw it together and it had such an effect on them that they played it together many times, at least fifteen times, during their anniversaries. Now.
I'm not sure what that says.
And I know that some people think the movies had a kind of animatory effect on them. But the other thing that's interesting to me is, if you see it fifteen times, does it really you up to the point where you go to war with Putin? I mean, is that the real key to why it happened?

**Joe Rogan** (3:07)
Well, in his defense, Putin attacked first, right?

**Joe Eszterhas** (3:11)
Absolutely. And I like Zelensky very much as a figure. And I'm very sympathetic to the Ukrainians, because I've got a Hungarian background.
And in 1956, the Russians devastated Hungary in a similar freedom fight. So maybe it gave him the balls and the wisdom to go after Putin.

**Joe Rogan** (3:30)
Maybe it just made him horny. Who knows? Might have nothing to do with the war.

**Joe Eszterhas** (3:34)
Might not.

**Joe Rogan** (3:35)
You made some crazy fucking movies, man. You really did.

**Joe Eszterhas** (3:39)
Well, there are eighteen of them that have been made. There have been like thirty-four scripts that have been made. There are sixteen that have been made.
And I don't know. I kid around and I say there's a twisted little man inside and he lives in some spot that I'm not sure where it exactly is. But he's 29, born 29, he will die 29 And with anything that has a relatively strong sexual content, he wrote the fucking thing. I'm just an old guy giving him the space. You know, so when the recent deal was made for a record amount of money for Basic Instinct 3, because there was a sequel to it, that was a totally piece of shit and I had nothing to do with it. But this would be 3 and my title for it is Basic Instinct Jezebel.
The twisted little man put together this story that I think people will have fun with, but it's continues in that same vein and it seems to be his specialty. So let's see what happens.

**Joe Rogan** (4:42)
I like how you refer to yourself as like another person.

**Joe Eszterhas** (4:45)