#2498 - Brendan Schaub

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Jamie** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Brendan Schaub** (0:13)
Hey, what's up, brother?

**Joe Rogan** (0:14)
What's happening, my man? Good to see you.

**Brendan Schaub** (0:16)
What's going on?

**Joe Rogan** (0:16)
This is a good time for you to come in, man, right after this weekend.

**Brendan Schaub** (0:19)
Pretty good timing, brother.

**Joe Rogan** (0:20)
Bro, I mean, everybody's talking about the Sean Strickland-Humza fight and the debate, but before we even talk about that, bro, how fucking good is Joshua Vann?

**Brendan Schaub** (0:31)
And he's only been fighting about five years. That's what's scary.

**Joe Rogan** (0:36)
Crazy good.

**Brendan Schaub** (0:36)
Five years.

**Joe Rogan** (0:37)
Crazy good.

**Brendan Schaub** (0:38)
And he has some holes, for sure, that certain guys are exposed. Well, five, think how-

**Joe Rogan** (0:45)
He's not the best on the ground.

**Brendan Schaub** (0:46)
He's also 24

**Joe Rogan** (0:47)
He's 24 Yeah. Crazy athlete.
But his fucking boxing, it might be the best in the UFC.

**Brendan Schaub** (0:55)
It's up there.

**Joe Rogan** (0:55)
It's up there.

**Brendan Schaub** (0:56)
Him or Ilja.

**Joe Rogan** (0:56)
Yeah. Well, Ilja.

**Brendan Schaub** (0:58)
Ilja's pretty good.

**Joe Rogan** (0:58)
The thing about Ilja is Ilja is one punch, night night. That's the difference.

**Brendan Schaub** (1:02)
It's tough at Flyweight to be a knockout artist. But then also Josh-

**Joe Rogan** (1:06)
Nibba Davidson, Fagaredo.

**Brendan Schaub** (1:07)
True.

**Joe Rogan** (1:08)
True. He was starching people.

**Brendan Schaub** (1:10)
He was. But with Josh too, again, he's 24
But in Tutsi or Tyra, he also just was blocking punches with his face. Well, that's the other thing. Like his defense was so bad.

**Joe Rogan** (1:22)
I think it was that Joshua Vann's offense was so good.

**Brendan Schaub** (1:26)
You know what? I think it's combo of both.

**Joe Rogan** (1:27)
Yeah, it's a combo of both.

**Jamie** (1:28)
Yeah, yeah. For sure.

**Joe Rogan** (1:29)
Because Tyra is primarily a grappler. I mean, he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter. And he did strike. I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out of the water. He did strike pretty well.
It's just the counters came so clean, so sharp. Like, I rewatched some of it today and I was like, good lord, that's pretty.

**Brendan Schaub** (1:50)
So good.

**Joe Rogan** (1:51)
He looks so good.

**Brendan Schaub** (1:52)
And again, 24

**Joe Rogan** (1:54)
And, you know, it took all the stink off of the way he won the title.

**Brendan Schaub** (1:58)
Yeah, but not me, I'm sure not you, but there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered. Oh, for sure. I guess Pantoja is a motherfucker.

**Joe Rogan** (2:07)
Pantoja is a straight-up assassin.

**Brendan Schaub** (2:10)
Okay. How would he do against Pantoja?

**Joe Rogan** (2:12)
Hey, man. But again, his stock went up after this fight, I'll tell you that. Look, it was always up, right? But Tyra was a real threat. Tyra got him on the ground, wasn't able to submit him. Joshua Vange pieced him up on the feet, man.

**Brendan Schaub** (2:26)
But again, at 24, so let's say they do the Pantoja rematch, whatever, Q4, and let's say Pantoja gets that win. All good? He's 24
He's going to be your champ for a very long time.

**Joe Rogan** (2:40)
How old is Alexandre Pantoja at this point?

**Brendan Schaub** (2:42)
Not young. In flyweight years, he's 67 Yeah, flyweight's tough.

**Joe Rogan** (2:48)
36 36 Yeah, that's tough. That's tough. If he was a middleweight, you'd be like, that's the beginning of the slide.
That's the beginning of the slide. For welterweight, you're like, ooh.

**Brendan Schaub** (2:58)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (2:59)
But at flyweight.

**Brendan Schaub** (3:00)
Oh, bro.

**Joe Rogan** (3:01)
It's crazy.

**Brendan Schaub** (3:02)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (3:02)
Heavyweight is like, he's in his prime.

**Brendan Schaub** (3:04)
Oh, we're cooking at heavyweight.

**Joe Rogan** (3:05)
Look at Francis. Francis is like 38 or something.

**Brendan Schaub** (3:07)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (3:08)
Is he 38?

**Brendan Schaub** (3:09)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (3:09)
Francis is in his fucking prime.

**Brendan Schaub** (3:11)
Flyweight, though.

**Joe Rogan** (3:11)
Nobody looks at Francis and goes, eyes over the hill.

**Brendan Schaub** (3:13)
Oh, never.

**Joe Rogan** (3:14)
Never at all.

**Brendan Schaub** (3:15)
No, there's some old cats at heavyweight doing the damn thing, especially now, the heavyweight divisions.

**Joe Rogan** (3:19)
How old is Volkov?

**Brendan Schaub** (3:21)
59

**Joe Rogan** (3:24)
Honestly, I don't think he's as old as you think he is.
Right. He was a Bellator champion, M1 champion. He was a Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator.