#2474 - Dave Smith

**Joe Rogan** (0:01)
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

**Jamie Vernon** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Joe Rogan** (0:06)
Shrain by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Dave Smith** (0:12)
So, Dave, you were telling me right before the show that you are now retiring because you got an impromptu phone call and bet hundreds of millions of dollars on oil prices going down. Congratulations.

**Dave Smith** (0:26)
It was a good bet. It just wasn't timed right.

**Dave Smith** (0:29)
I thought you got it in on time. I thought you got it in like, yeah. I thought you got it in like five minutes early.

**Dave Smith** (0:36)
I did not.

**Dave Smith** (0:37)
How is there not a massive investigation into that right away? Didn't someone make like 1.8 billion dollars in like five minutes?

**Dave Smith** (0:44)
Yeah, there's a lot of those, like trades like that that should be investigated that kind of never are.

**Dave Smith** (0:50)
Bro. How about, what's his name, Lutnick? Yeah. How about that one?

**Dave Smith** (0:56)
He's, so he's-

**Dave Smith** (0:57)
The tariffs one?

**Dave Smith** (0:58)
Working for the administration and also standing to gain huge if people can sue over the tariffs, right?

**Dave Smith** (1:06)
Well, explain the whole thing. Well, do you know how to, do you know the actual details of it?

**Dave Smith** (1:10)
No, I don't really know the details.

**Dave Smith** (1:11)
So essentially he was telling everybody that, you know, don't sweat it, the tariffs are golden, we're getting them through, there's gonna be no problems. Is that what it was? But in meanwhile, he was shorting the tariffs?

**Dave Smith** (1:22)
Yes, yes, so he was personally shorting them.

**Dave Smith** (1:24)
Let's find out what that actually is, so we don't get sued. I bet he's a quite litigious gentleman.

**Dave Smith** (1:29)
Yeah, he might be.

**Dave Smith** (1:31)
Let's see if we can find it.

**Jamie Vernon** (1:32)
I got some, I don't know what that means there.

**Dave Smith** (1:34)
Like, isn't it wild that people were on the files, visited the island, and then they still work?

**Dave Smith** (1:39)
It was unbelievable.

**Dave Smith** (1:40)
Some people had to resign from some jobs.

**Dave Smith** (1:42)
Well, especially just him, because he so, the way, there's something about a really confident liar, like where they just, because I mean, that interview clip where he's like, let me tell you something, I met Jeffrey Epstein that one time, he had a massage table, he said they were sex massage tables, I went right back to my wife and I said, honey, we are never hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein again, and that is that, you know?

**Dave Smith** (2:03)
Is that really the quote? Oh dude, I mean, I haven't seen that.

**Dave Smith** (2:06)
I don't know if it's verbatim, but that is the exact spirit of it.

**Dave Smith** (2:08)
Which probably is pretty verbatim. Let's listen to it.

**Dave Smith** (2:11)
Listen to it? I'm very, very close to exactly what he said.

**Dave Smith** (2:15)
Okay.

**Jamie Vernon** (2:15)
Let me get that one again. What was this one?

**Dave Smith** (2:17)
Letnik interview about Epstein. And he just sounds, I mean, so morally outraged about the idea.

**Dave Smith** (2:24)
There's so many people that they exist in that world where you just pretend that you're a different person. You pretend you're one way. You pretend you think things differently.

**Dave Smith** (2:35)
I've been up close with people like that. I said that was my takeaway from debating Chris Cuomo, was like, I just could, it's a weird thing to see someone just lie like that.

**Dave Smith** (2:43)
Here it is. Now, this is the one that says he's the greatest blackmailer ever.

**Jamie Vernon** (2:49)
Uh, which word am I trying to find?

**Dave Smith** (2:51)
Yeah, try to explain it to him.

**Dave Smith** (2:53)
It was, let me see the keywords that would... Downplays relationship with him. That might be it.

**Jamie Vernon** (3:02)
There was something on the other thing, but I don't know what that is.

**Dave Smith** (3:04)
What does he do?

**Dave Smith** (3:06)
He's, um, what's he's a commerce secretary. Uh, he was always like a money finance guy. I think he used to work for CNBC, if I'm correct.

**Dave Smith** (3:15)
In this administration, this like... The wolves have taken over the hen house.

**Dave Smith** (3:19)
Yeah, yeah, they sure have. This is what draining the swamp looks like.

**Dave Smith** (3:25)
Under fire for Epstein Tai's commerce secretary, Howard Lutnick, defends visiting his private island.

**Dave Smith** (3:30)
Yeah, but this isn't the clip. The clip was from...