#2469 - Brigham Buhler

**Brigham Buhler** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Joe Rogan** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Joe Rogan** (0:12)
Great, good to see you, my friend.

**Brigham Buhler** (0:14)
Thanks for having me, we're back.

**Joe Rogan** (0:15)
My pleasure, always. Um, lots going on, man.

**Brigham Buhler** (0:20)
There is a lot going on, per the usual.

**Joe Rogan** (0:23)
I got fucking allergies, dude, you hear me?

**Brigham Buhler** (0:25)
Oh yeah, you sound stuffed up, I was gonna ask.

**Joe Rogan** (0:27)
It's crazy. I was like, am I getting sick? And then I worked out, I'm like, no, I feel great, like physically, I feel great.

**Brigham Buhler** (0:34)
But I don't know what's spiking right now, do you know?

**Joe Rogan** (0:37)
I don't know, there's a bunch going on.

**Brigham Buhler** (0:38)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (0:39)
Everybody's got sore throats. It's crazy, they say you don't get it when you live here for like a few years, and then you start getting it a lot. And I was like, I ain't getting it. And then about four years in, I started getting these horrible sore throats and stuffy noses. Is there a peptide for that?

**Brigham Buhler** (0:57)
When I first moved here, the cedar killed me. I mean, because Houston doesn't have cedar, so it was pine trees in Houston. And moving to Austin, the cedar crushed me for the first year and a half, and then I got over it. My body just got used to it, I guess.

**Joe Rogan** (1:09)
Yeah, I think my body has to get used to it. One thing that does help is colostrum. I take colostrum, that arm row.

**Brigham Buhler** (1:15)
Yeah, you can tell the difference?

**Joe Rogan** (1:16)
Yeah, yeah, makes a big difference. Yeah, if you take it a lot, take it every day. Stay consistent.

**Brigham Buhler** (1:25)
Yeah, I think all of that stuff, there's benefits that so many people overlook.

**Joe Rogan** (1:31)
So we were talking. What's the latest?

**Brigham Buhler** (1:37)
Man, so I know you just had Secretary Kennedy on a few weeks ago. The latest is, you know, hot off the press as of yesterday, I know the administration is still working diligently to reclassify peptides. I know that that kind of got unveiled on the podcast. Man, that has been a labor of love for the last two and a half, three years, whatever it's been, that we've been trying to get this done. And I know I said this when I was on here six months ago, but I'm truly the most optimistic I've ever been and with reason. I want to like temper expectations, but the prior administration of the FDA put these things into place prior to Secretary Kennedy and this administration taking over. It was almost like a Trojan horse. They just planted this little bomb in the middle of everything and classified these peptides as dangerous. And so for the first time in my life, over the last decade of 20-something years of being in healthcare, before Secretary Kennedy and this group of folks were in a position to drive meaningful change, they made these changes with the peptides. I submitted 17 FOIA requests, 17 to the FDA. They have never once responded to a single FOIA request. Just asking for clarity about safety and why did we make this decision? And they're supposedly by law required to respond to this request.
So, to go from that environment where you're being stonewalled and you have no accessibility and no line of sight and no answers to anything, to being able to at least have a seat at the table and a voice is pretty revolutionary.

**Joe Rogan** (3:21)
Well, it's just very helpful that he actually uses them. That Kennedy uses them and he knows the benefits of them and he's very educated on it. That helps a lot. Someone who is actually fit takes care of himself and uses peptides and understands what millions of people know.

**Brigham Buhler** (3:40)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (3:40)
I mean, there's millions of people right now that are taking peptides and it's radically improved their health and their vitality. And I'm one of them.

**Brigham Buhler** (3:48)
Yeah. And me too. Like I began, I was the typical American patient. I was on the cusp of diabetes. I was obese. I'm a former fat kid. You know, like everything that could be going wrong in my late 30s was going wrong because I had bought into the system and trusted the system and thought, hey, if I get my blood work annually and I follow the doctor's rules, you know, the system's just not built that way. And that's where I think the nuances of peptides are really difficult for a regulatory body like the FDA. And so to like systematically try to break it down for the folks that are legacy employees at the FDA, we have had that opportunity thanks to this administration and Secretary Kennedy and his right-hand girl Stephanie Spear has been integral in setting meetings and trying to move the needle. Marty McCary, who's the head of the FDA, I had the privilege of knowing him before he took that role. We testified together at the Senate level. And Marty, he really is, I don't know if you ever read his book? No. It's called Blind Spot.