#2462 - Aaron Siri

**Joe Rogan** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Joe Rogan** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Joe Rogan** (0:13)
So you had a pile of notes and then you just folded them up. Like, did you commit them to memory?

**Aaron Siri** (0:16)
No, I just, these two things. I have the links I sent you guys.

**Joe Rogan** (0:19)
Oh, okay.

**Aaron Siri** (0:20)
And just some stuff there.

**Joe Rogan** (0:21)
I just saw the pieces of paper that you folded. I was like, what's in there?
How did, first of all, I want to talk you through, like, when you were a younger man before you had looked into this, what was your opinions on medical science? What was your opinions on vaccines? Were you skeptical or did you just kind of assume that everything that we're told is exactly how it is and the experts have only the best interests of human beings in mind and not money?

**Aaron Siri** (0:49)
I had what you would effectively call the mainstream view. Vaccines saved humanity.

**Joe Rogan** (0:53)
Me too.

**Aaron Siri** (0:53)
We'd all be dead without them. There was the Bible given to Moses outside. And then there were vaccines. That's basically...

**Joe Rogan** (1:05)
I think it's anybody that didn't consider themselves a fool.
You would have to be a fool, like a real fool, to ignore all this medical science, which is the reason why there's so many people alive today that would have died. And a lot of that's true with penicillin and antibiotics. There's a lot of stuff that has saved a lot of people's lives. But the vaccine won. Until this COVID epidemic, I would have never questioned it. I mocked anti-vaxxers. I was like, these people are silly. Don't they know all the good things that vaccines have done? And the blatant propaganda that we were force-fed, like one of those ducks are trying to make foie gras with, it just made me stop and pause and go, is the whole thing like this? Is this whole thing just a dirty money laundering operation? Because it kind of seems like that's at least part of the reason why they were telling people to get boosted when they knew it wasn't working, and telling young people that didn't need it. They wanted to make a lot of money. That's the only reason why you would do any of those things after a certain amount of information is out. And so it just made me stop and think about the whole thing and go, well, why would I assume that this is the one area where pharmaceutical drug companies, everybody has been totally honest in this one area, when it's like a religious thing if you question it? And I love the title of your book.

**Aaron Siri** (2:32)
Yes. Vaccines, Amen. The Religion of Vaccines.

**Joe Rogan** (2:37)
That's what it is. It's a religion for secular, intelligent people with a higher education.

**Aaron Siri** (2:44)
And it causes incredible cognitive dissonance for anybody out there to come to the conclusion that the CDC and the FDA and our public health authorities and what the entire medical establishment has been telling you may not be accurate about vaccines. Because like what you just said, the claim that you're a flat earther, you're an anti-vaxxer, deserves, and they're used as a way to say you are really out there and dumb.

**Joe Rogan** (3:17)
They're completely equal in their impact.

**Aaron Siri** (3:19)
And so it takes incredible cognitive dissonance to say there are real problems with vaccines. But vaccines really sit in their own little universe. They're unlike any other medical product. They're not like penicillin. They're not like any other drugs. They're not like any other product out there. Any other product in this room, anything out there, for one major reason. Every other product that exists, I can sue the company. I can hold them accountable. If that product injures or kills you or your child, on the basis that product could have been safer. The only product, and I mean this literally, the only product in America where you cannot sue to say, had you made that product safer, my child wouldn't be dead. My child wouldn't be seriously injured. They wouldn't have a neurological disorder. They wouldn't have immunological disorder. They wouldn't have a nervous system disorder. They wouldn't have a cardiac issue. Our childhood vaccines and child vaccines used by adults, it's the only one, and that's because of a law called the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 It gave pharma companies that incredibly special immunity. Now, just to put that into context, okay, and I'll tie this back in a second as to how we ended up with this notion of this belief, religion in vaccines, because given industry 40 years of unopposed ability to influence, they're going to get pretty dang far and they did with vaccines. And so, you know, a lot of industries face a crossroads where their products are causing more harm than good. Gas tanks used to explode. What did they do? Made a better gas tank, right? Building materials had asbestos, caused cancer. What do they do? They make better building materials, right? Did they give them immunity? No, of course not. But in the instance of vaccines, leading up to 1986, there were only three routine vaccines. That's it. That's all there was. A child following the CDC schedule in 1986 got three injections on or before their first birthday, okay? Those three products were causing so much harm and injury that every manufacturer of them went out of business. And that was the MMR vaccine, the DTP and AOPV vaccine. Every single one from six down to one, or for the Pirtussis vaccine, six down to one for measles, about three down to one for polio. And with one company left for each, instead of forcing them to do what every other industry has to do, like I said, make better building materials without asbestos, make better cars that don't explode, go down the chain of different products out there. Congress did something completely unique. It said, you know what?