#2454 - Robert Malone, MD

Robert W. Malone (0:01)

Joe Rogan Podcast, checking out The Joe Rogan Experience.

SPEAKER_2 (0:06)

Shrain by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

Joe Rogan (0:12)

Yep, we're out. We were trying to figure out how long it's been since you came. It's been somewhere in the neighborhood close to five years.

Robert W. Malone (0:20)

Yeah. A lot of water under the bridge.

Joe Rogan (0:24)

Your appearance on the show, boy, did that create a lot of problems.

Robert W. Malone (0:30)

Yeah. I didn't expect you ever had me on again. I thought maybe Spotify was just going to say, hell no.

Joe Rogan (0:35)

No. You were right. This is a victory dance. It turned out that all your warnings and all the things that you were saying about the problems turned out to be true.

Robert W. Malone (0:46)

Well, thanks. I know you've said that on a few shows. Every time you do, somebody sends me a clip and sees, hey, Rogan said you did the right thing.

Joe Rogan (0:54)

What was it like for you?

First of all, you know, they were trying to label you a quack and a kook. And somebody didn't know what they were talking about. Try. I don't think it worked with everybody. I mean, it worked with people that weren't paying attention. But anybody that really paid attention to your background said, no, this guy is very credible. I mean, don't you have like nine patents on mRNA vaccine technology?

Robert W. Malone (1:19)

Yeah, on the mRNA, yeah, in total of about 15, I think.

Joe Rogan (1:24)

And you also took the vaccine and had a horrible adverse event.

Robert W. Malone (1:29)

A series of them, yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:30)

Yeah.

Robert W. Malone (1:31)

At the time, it was so early. That was when the National Guard was still doing it, and that was Moderna. And I was embarrassed to have these experiences. And I was embarrassed when I got COVID in early 2020

You know, looking back, there was so much, so much fear, so much anger and anxiety and everything wrapped around all of this. And in retrospect, it was, you know, it was promoted, but it was also very organic. You know, it was, it was, you know, looking back, being honest about it, it was a frightening time, what was happening. And, and yeah, I, I, you know, I had those experiences. My doc, who was a cardiologist, was like, why were you so stupid to take this?

Joe Rogan (2:33)

Your doctor said that, too. In 2021?

Robert W. Malone (2:36)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (2:37)

She was- It was 2020 or 2021?

Robert W. Malone (2:39)

It was 2021, 2021 Yeah. I was going to kind of a cardiologist that had left traditional medical practice at UVA and the associated hospitals. And I was going to her for hormone replacement therapy and bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. And she was monitoring a lot of things. And yeah, that was her response. Why did you do this? Of course, I've had that question a thousand times since, you know, why were you so stupid? You were the one that should have known. And so I have to answer that still. It's kind of gets a little tiresome.

Joe Rogan (3:22)

What was your perspective on the vaccine before you took it?

Robert W. Malone (3:29)

To be honest, I was a little, I was amazed. I was amazed that the claims that the problems that I encountered when I had been working on it had been solved. I didn't see how that could be the case, but I knew that a huge amount of money had been thrown at it, so it was possible. What were the problems? In my hands, it was inflammation primarily. It was also, you know, it was absolutely not localizable. It was, in the monkey models that we tested, it was incredibly inflammatory. It didn't give long levels, long prolonged levels of expression. It was hard to make. It was kind of, back then, it was almost a little bit of witchcraft. You'd drop, I mean, for me as a graduate student when I was doing that, it was incredibly scary because it was a couple thousand dollars worth of reagents in a little tiny tube. And, you know, back in the late 80s, that was real money.

And it didn't always work, the reaction. So, you know, it was a little bit of a wing in a prayer. But then, as I started working with animal models and with the different formulations, I could come up with a variety of different compounds and formulations that worked pretty well in cell culture, but not so well in animals. And I spent a lot of time trying to do that, optimize that. And what I ended up with is just seeing that it really caused, you know, I'm sorry to use medical jargon. That's kind of where I'm from. So that's the language.