#2432 - Josh Dubin

Josh Dubin (0:01)

Joe Rogan Podcast, checking in.

Joe Rogan (0:03)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Josh Dubin (0:06)

Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day. Brother Joe.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

Good to see you again.

Josh Dubin (0:16)

Nice to see you, man.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

What's happening?

Josh Dubin (0:18)

Everything's happening. I got a lot on my mind. I got notes today and everything.

Joe Rogan (0:24)

Beautiful. So let's kick it off. What do you got?

Josh Dubin (0:30)

No, I was just thinking that the more you do this work, the more routine the stories would get, and you would start to see fact patterns and situations repeat. But I'm starting to think the more you do it, the more nutty and bizarre it gets, and you find yourself in these situations where you're like, that can't be. You got to check that out. So I have like multiple cases going on where I feel that way.

And they range from wrongful convictions to why was this person charged in the first place, where you're seeking clemency. I mean, yeah, it's a weird world.

Joe Rogan (1:24)

Yeah, your world in particular. The world of wrongfully accused and wrongfully convicted people is one of the darkest worlds in the world. Because you're taking away a person's freedom.

Josh Dubin (1:36)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:36)

And they do it all the time for corruption. They do it because they're corrupt. They do it because they're dirty. They do it because they want convictions. They do it because they said someone was guilty, and then they just want to fucking lock them up anyway.

Josh Dubin (1:51)

You know, I started to read this... Malcolm Gladwell just published a new book called Revenge or the Tipping Point. And I'm only like 15 pages in. And the way he starts it out is about... I think he's going to come back to it at the end, but I think it's the opioid scandal. He's leaving it blank until the end of the book about how when they testified, the executives of the company testified before Congress, that they couldn't bring themselves to apologize or admit that they were wrong. And they keep on using the words, our drug has been associated with, associated with addiction. And it's almost this... So I'm starting to think that this inability to admit fault, that you're wrong, that you're sorry, it transcends the legal system. And, you know, I'm starting to believe that the cases where these cops are out to frame someone are far more...

Well, maybe not far more, but they're less common than the cases where law enforcement is trying to do the right thing, and a detective has a hunch, and they just get to where they think they need to be on the evidence by following the hunch, which is often wrong. So, yeah, it's a mix of all that shit.

Joe Rogan (3:31)

Yeah, and people don't like to admit they're wrong ever, especially when it comes to something as crazy as pharmaceutical drug company releasing some opioid that's going to kill a million people. They can't admit they're wrong. They almost have to say things like associated with, especially during hearings.

Josh Dubin (3:48)

Yeah, during congressional hearings, I guess there's a lot on the line if there's anything that smells like an admission.

Joe Rogan (3:55)

Yeah, they can't admit it. They have to not lie, right? Because then they can get hit with perjury. So they come up with different terms, like associated with.

Josh Dubin (4:05)

Yeah. I mean, I'm interested to see where he goes with it. I listen to his podcast a lot. It's actually really good.

And some of them are good. Revisionist history, because he's a curious dude, this Malcolm Gladwell. And you know, some of his stuff, I agree with, some I don't. But I like that he looks beneath the surface and tries to figure out what is motivating people or what they're tricking themselves into believing. And I just, I was watching this Maniscalco bit the other day, and he was like, can you just say I'm sorry? He's talking about his wife, that's all I want. And him and this dude are going back and forth. I forget the guy's name on the podcast. He's a mother comedian. And the bit is so fucking funny. And so I just find myself apologizing all the time. Because what's wrong with just admitting that you're wrong?

Joe Rogan (5:08)

Nothing at all. Good. It's actually a show of strength. And people that don't recognize that, they just believe that they're never wrong, or that they want people to know they're never wrong, or think they're never wrong. So they just don't admit it. They just bury it deep inside.