#2428 - Michael P. Masters

**Joe Rogan** (0:01)
Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.

**Joe Rogan** (0:06)
Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

**Joe Rogan** (0:15)
Disclosure Day, very interesting.

**Michael P. Masters** (0:18)
Yeah, I'm excited for that.

**Joe Rogan** (0:21)
Yeah, he was always, like, way ahead of the curve when it comes to the whole UAP, UFO stuff, you know, with Close Encounters of the Third Kind. He had that French scientist that was essentially modeled after Jacques Valle.

**Michael P. Masters** (0:35)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (0:36)
He's always been, I would love to talk to him. I wonder how much he knows.

**Michael P. Masters** (0:40)
Is that an accident? Was he fed some information? Was he a part of disclosure the whole time? That's what I've always wondered.

**Joe Rogan** (0:48)
I mean, what does that mean, right? Because there hasn't really been disclosure.

**Michael P. Masters** (0:51)
No, but there has to be a slow process, too, right?

**Joe Rogan** (0:54)
You think so?

**Michael P. Masters** (0:55)
I don't think, I mean, the whole idea is that they're just sort of normalizing it, right? Neuro-linguistic programming, they call it, where you're slowly getting people accustomed to these ideas. Like, the aspects of close encounters, for instance, where you have the radiation burns on the guy's face, you have a time travel component, where these World War II soldiers get out of the craft with the little beans and the bigger bean. I mean, just seeding our culture with those little bits of information that might help, later on down the road.

**Joe Rogan** (1:26)
That was like in the 70s, wasn't it? Like, when was close encounters?

**Michael P. Masters** (1:30)
Yeah, I think it was.

**Joe Rogan** (1:31)
Was it the 70s?

**Michael P. Masters** (1:32)
Late 70s, early 80s, maybe. Yeah. Either way, I mean, like, a lot of stuff he's done, like, I rewatched the, what was it, Jeff Bridges, Starman, I think. There's a lot of elements of disclosure in that, too. Like, I think there's just, I don't know, I mean, obviously we don't know who's pulling the strings. We don't know what's going on. We don't know who's in charge. But it does make sense that if there is this thing that they know about, that we're supposed to know about, leak it out, do it slowly, get in our culture, get it in our media in different ways.

**Joe Rogan** (2:05)
You know the Hal Putoff story, right, with George Bush? Do you know the story where they were talking about? Okay. Hal talked about it on my podcast, but he also talked about it in the Age of Disclosure documentary, where they brought in him and a bunch of different prominent thinkers.

**Michael P. Masters** (2:20)
Yeah, I watched that episode, and I watched the doco too.

**Joe Rogan** (2:23)
So to people that don't know, I'll just explain it. So they brought in him and a bunch of other prominent thinkers, and they sat them down and said, essentially, we have recovered crashed UFOs. We have biological remains of these creatures. We are considering releasing it to the public, and we want to make an assessment of what are the pros and what are the cons. So we want to assign a numerical value that you're estimating what kind of an impact it would be on government, finances, religion, et cetera.

**Michael P. Masters** (2:57)
Well, whether they should do it, basically.

**Joe Rogan** (2:58)
Right, whether or not they should release this information. And all of the people that were brought in came to the agreement that there was more con than there were pro, and that formed their decision to not release it.

**Michael P. Masters** (3:10)
And didn't he say at first, like he was pro disclosure. He was like, of course, we should do this. And then after the conversation, he switched teams and decided.

**Joe Rogan** (3:17)
Yeah, I don't know about that. Maybe, perhaps.

**Michael P. Masters** (3:19)
I mean. I thought he said that he went into it thinking, well, yeah, obviously we should do this. And then sort of was convinced otherwise after the conversation unfolded.

**Joe Rogan** (3:28)
Yeah. How could you be convinced? Like whose decision should it be? If some people know, everyone should know.

**Michael P. Masters** (3:34)
Yeah.

**Joe Rogan** (3:34)
It's a humanity decision. I don't think it should be in anybody's hands.

**Michael P. Masters** (3:39)
No.

**Joe Rogan** (3:40)
To decide whether or not this information gets distributed.

**Michael P. Masters** (3:43)
And the implications too, if they have zero point energy. Like how would that solve the problems that we face today? There's so many ramifications of it that... Yeah. Whose decision is it and why has it been kept from us? I don't buy that whole like Orson Welles, 1938, everybody freak out bullshit.