#2418 - Chris Williamson

Joe Rogan (0:01)

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

Chris Williamson (0:03)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

SPEAKER_3 (0:06)

Trained by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

Chris Williamson (0:15)

I feel a bit less shit about myself to stave off death.

Joe Rogan (0:17)

Well, doesn't it do something for your mind? Doesn't it help you?

Chris Williamson (0:21)

Yeah, of course it does, but when you compare it with life and death, there's a little bit of a difference.

Joe Rogan (0:27)

Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's definitely a difference, but just for mental health, that's the main reason to do it for me. Mental health, it's such a difference between not doing it and doing it. But like two different, totally different people. You got notes on that thing or something?

Chris Williamson (0:44)

Always.

Joe Rogan (0:45)

You got to get one of these babies, little kickstand jammies. Those are the shit.

Chris Williamson (0:49)

Oh, sexy.

Joe Rogan (0:50)

Look at that.

Chris Williamson (0:51)

Sexy, sexy.

SPEAKER_6 (0:52)

Yeah. All right.

Joe Rogan (0:54)

It encourages you to waste your time watching YouTube videos.

Chris Williamson (0:57)

Yeah, without having to hold it.

Joe Rogan (0:58)

Because it props up, yeah. You feel like a fool sitting there staring at your camera, holding it in your hand. I always said, like, if there was a drug that made people stare at their hand for six hours a day, everybody would be like, oh my God, was this really a problem in this country? People were just staring at their hands.

Chris Williamson (1:12)

Well, we looked at that last time that we were on. We had the photo of that guy, that artist, that had taken images of people looking at their phones.

Joe Rogan (1:20)

Yes, with no phone in their hand.

Chris Williamson (1:21)

And then removed the phones.

Joe Rogan (1:24)

It's such a crazy thing we're doing. And now, of course, there's AR glasses that are eventually going to put whatever TikTok feed in, like, one eye where you're watching someone in the other eye.

Chris Williamson (1:35)

Have you ever tried those?

Joe Rogan (1:36)

I've messed around with them a little bit. Zuck was here, and he let me try the new ones that haven't been released yet. They were really interesting. And you move a cursor around with your eyeballs, and you can do things with your fingers. You can pinch and spread things and stuff with your fingers and play games with your fingers. You can, like, it's not quite as responsive as you'd like it to be, but it's very beta. You know, it's pretty cool.

Chris Williamson (2:03)

It is pretty cool.

Joe Rogan (2:04)

But also, we're losing humanity. We're going to be taken in. We're going to incorporate with the machine.

Chris Williamson (2:12)

Yeah, well, I don't know. I think a lot of people feel like that would be a better version of the life that they have, and that's the saddest thing, that people of older generations look at young guys and girls and how much time they spend online. And they think, this is ridiculous. Why are they caring so much about what is occurring on the internet? But they don't realize people spend more time on screens than they do asleep.

So the digital world is the real world for these people. Like the digital world is more real than the real world is.

Joe Rogan (2:42)

Ooh, I didn't think of it that way. There are a lot of people that do spend more time on screens than they do asleep. That's really common. I like to balance that out. I like to spend half as much time on my phone as I do asleep.

Chris Williamson (2:59)

Well, that would be a good way to enforce it, right? You have to, you log how much sleep time you've had.

Joe Rogan (3:03)

Yeah, so I'm going to start sleeping 12 hours a day. So I get my solid six hours wasting. It's quite a resource if you think about it, like a lack of an appreciation of your resource. Because the resource of your time and your attention, it's very valuable. You can convert it into all sorts of amazing skills and information and knowledge and change your whole life, or you can just stare at stupid shit all day long.

Chris Williamson (3:32)

It's so compelling though, dude. It's been designed by the most profitable companies on the planet with the smartest behavioral scientists in history. Like it's an unfair fight. It really is an unfair fight, and that's why.

Joe Rogan (3:45)

Sort of. You could not do it though.

Chris Williamson (3:48)