#2408 - Bret Weinstein
The Joe Rogan Experience
November 8, 2025
Bret Weinstein, PhD, is an evolutionary biologist, author, and co-host of “The DarkHorse Podcast” with his wife, biologist Heather Heying. They are the co-authors of “A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century: Evolution and the Challenges of Modern Life.”
Speakers Joe Rogan, Bret Weinstein
TopicsComedy
Joe Rogan (0:01)
Joe Rogan Podcast, checking in.
Bret Weinstein (0:03)
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Joe Rogan (0:06)
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
Bret Weinstein (0:12)
Oh, Bret, good to see you, my friend.
SPEAKER_3 (0:13)
Joe, always so great to see you, brother.
Bret Weinstein (0:17)
So, I was telling you before we get started that I had the most bizarre dream I've ever had in my life last night. The most realistic and most bizarre dream. And it's so hard to try to explain how strange this was. But I was in some weird corridor that looked like a building, but was odd, very strange. And I was encountering these beings that looked like people, but very different. They were very thin and they were slightly on the tall side.
And they had big heads, like larger than normal, with larger than normal eyes. But they looked like people, and they were playful, and they were scaring me. They like, they scared me, and then they joked around, like, we're just joking around. It was the most realistic dream I've ever had in my life. And I woke up and I could not go back to, I had to stay up. I got up at 330 in the morning, and I just went to the gym, and I worked out for a couple of hours. And I was like, what the fuck was that? But it was, it was very bizarre in that there was communication going on. It was, it was like, God, I want to read into this, because I know it's just a dream. But it was like, get comfortable with this.
SPEAKER_3 (1:47)
You should read into it because it's a dream. So it doesn't make it right, but your subconscious is trying to tell you about something, and the fact that it felt very, very important means your subconscious thinks it's very, very important.
Bret Weinstein (2:01)
I woke up, I mean, I was tired, man. When I went to bed, I was tired. I was falling asleep watching TV. I went to bed at like 10, 30, 11 o'clock at night, like beat down. I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna get some sleep. Was that a long week, a lot of activities, workouts, this, that, the other, tired.
3.3 in the morning, whatever this was, woke me up so much that I just laid in bed for like another hour. And I was like, there is no way I'm going to sleep. I'm up forever. And then I just went and worked out. I worked out and I was hoping I would be exhausted after I worked out and I'd be able to relax. But it was like a couple hours after that, that I sat, laid down and I took a nap for an hour before I came here.
SPEAKER_3 (2:46)
Question for you. Did you see a video, I think it was yesterday, maybe it was the day before, of some Chinese robots that seem to be across on our side of the uncanny valley, that they walk with a gate that feels very human.
Bret Weinstein (3:07)
No, I haven't seen that. Is that the latest?
SPEAKER_3 (3:09)
I don't know. I've seen it a few times in the last couple of days. It sort of sounded to me like your dream might have been responsive, you know?
Bret Weinstein (3:16)
These things felt very organic. Whatever this was, it felt like living organic beings that were like us. There was also a water element.
It was hard to understand what the water element of it was, but there was some sort of an indication that there was water and that there was protection from you going out into the water. But if you did go out into the water, there was a bunch of predators in the water. But they weren't like, it wasn't like sharks, it was reptile, like crocodile type things that were in the water and that they had been like feeding them and keeping them calm and like keeping them away. But whatever these beings were in my dream, they were like, like what humans could eventually be. That's what it felt like. It didn't feel like a person, but if like, you know, like I don't feel like a monkey, you know what I mean? But it was like that. It was very, very realistic. Like there was communication going on and I was really freaked out and they were fucking with me to lighten me up because I was freaked out. They're like, ah. And then they were like, like this, like calm down, like relax. It was so realistic, it was so realistic that when it was over, I wasn't sure what happened. Like it wasn't like, whoa, what a fucked up dream. It was like, that was different. That was a different one.
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