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#2384 - Mark Kerr

The Joe Rogan Experience

September 25, 2025

Joe sits down with retired mixed martial artist and wrestler Mark Kerr. Kerr is the subject of the A24 feature film "The Smashing Machine," directed by Benny Safdie and starring Dwayne Johnson. Look for it in theaters on October 3, 2025.

Speakers Joe Rogan, Mark Kerr

TopicsComedy

Joe Rogan (0:01)

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

Mark Kerr (0:03)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan (0:06)

Shrink by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

Joe Rogan (0:12)

Good, Mark, what's happening?

Mark Kerr (0:14)

Good, Joe.

Joe Rogan (0:15)

Dude, the movie's fantastic. And I know I told you outside, but I wanted to save it. When I kind of had a little bit of a prejudice when I went to see the movie, I was like, okay, it's gonna be an MMA movie.

Mark Kerr (0:26)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (0:26)

But it's not. It's a movie that happens to be about MMA, but it's a great movie.

Mark Kerr (0:31)

Oh, I appreciate that.

Joe Rogan (0:33)

It's really good, man. It's like, you know, it's very gripping and the performances are fantastic. And the way The Rock did you was nuts.

Mark Kerr (0:43)

I like, I can't explain it.

I keep using the word surreal, but it doesn't describe it. Like I was saying that my son, when he watched it, and just flipping out, like talking to me like on the side, like I was saying, like literally, just going, Dad, Dad, he's got your mannerisms. He's got your speech mannerisms. But you imagine, like I'm picturing my son, he's in New York when he watched it. Right. And so I'm picturing him in the corner of the lobby of the theater talking with his back to everybody going, Oh my God, Dad, like, it's like a doppelganger. He's got all of it, you know, like full blown, like it was like the the the because a lot of my saying for myself is I'm I can't see the force through the trees. I'm in the middle of it. Am I looking at it objectively? Am I really looking at or am I seeing something and hear my son say, Oh my gosh, Dad, he nailed it.

SPEAKER_3 (1:37)

Right.

Mark Kerr (1:38)

No, unbelievable.

Joe Rogan (1:39)

He really did nail it. I like we were saying in the lobby, like I didn't know the Rock could act that well. You know, it's really good acting. It's not like blockbuster movie acting, which is he's great at that. But it's a different thing.

Mark Kerr (1:52)

It's complete. So with DJ, I kept trying to say to him, you don't have to do this, dude. Like you don't have to do this. And he would stop me and he would go, yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_5 (2:05)

What do you mean by you don't have to do this?

Mark Kerr (2:06)

So meaning that like he's at a place in his life where he can just keep doing blockbusters and be perfectly fine with it. There's, I mean, he says it himself, there's always a place for that. There's always going to be a place for blockbuster movies and for that, but he needed to do something different. He needed to do something different.

Joe Rogan (2:27)

Well, it's the perfect role if you want to do something different for him because it's a very complex role and it's about a giant dude. Yeah. And that's it. So it's like really like the perfect way. Because otherwise, if you're built like he is, it's very hard to get work as a serious actor. This might be like the only opportunity to show people like, hey, I can actually act.

Mark Kerr (2:52)

Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan (2:53)

I think he did it.

Mark Kerr (2:55)

He did an amazing job. I mean, amazing to the point where like Emily, unbelievable.

Joe Rogan (3:02)

She's great. She plays such a great.

Mark Kerr (3:04)

Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan (3:07)

She's so good at it.

Mark Kerr (3:08)

Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan (3:08)

She's so good at playing crazy.

Mark Kerr (3:10)

Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan (3:11)

It gave me anxiety. Like sometimes like when you're getting ready to fight, she's starting arguments.

Joe Rogan (3:16)

I'm like, Oh, my God.

SPEAKER_5 (3:18)

I'm getting anxiety.

Mark Kerr (3:22)

So here's what was so vet. So I saw a 80 percent complete version of the film in in January of this year. And then and then the first time I see a complete version of it was in Venice. And so I'm in Venice and there's Benny on my right and there's DJ on my left and there's Emily next to DJ.

And the last scene of the movie, right, that intensity of that scene. I'm just telling you, it was like I said it was therapy for me. Because I think for the first time, I could actually I could actually see my part in it. Like I could see my part, how fucking hard I was on the people around me. You know, how just singularly driven I was to accomplish something at at all cost. And the person that paid it the most was Dawn. She paid a heavy price, you know, and you know, anybody that's successful, you know, for me, I was trying to raise everybody up, you know, everybody around me. And it was just a selfish endeavor and I could see it in those moments. I could see it in what who DJ was, you know, and who Emily was in the intensity. And I was like, fuck.

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