#2367 - Jesse Welles

Jesse Welles (0:01)

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out.

Joe Rogan (0:03)

The Joe Rogan Experience.

Jamie (0:06)

Shrain by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

Jesse Welles (0:12)

Cheers, man. Cheers to you.

Joe Rogan (0:14)

Nice to meet you, man.

Jesse Welles (0:15)

Good to meet you.

Joe Rogan (0:18)

I've enjoyed your songs. How did you, well, first of all, how long you been doing music?

Jesse Welles (0:26)

I think most of my life, you know.

Joe Rogan (0:31)

Did you grow up in a musical family or is it just something you picked up on your own?

Jesse Welles (0:35)

No. Everyone worked and made art when they weren't working.

Joe Rogan (0:43)

Oh, okay.

Jesse Welles (0:44)

But no music, really. But I liked music.

Joe Rogan (0:51)

What kind of art did your family do?

Jesse Welles (0:52)

My mom would always paint. She put murals on the walls of the house and stuff. My old man's a mechanic and he would be tinkering around, making all sorts of fun stuff, usually with his welder and whatnot. So I felt like they were artistic folks, but they didn't necessarily do music. They're smarter than that.

Joe Rogan (1:22)

And so I only know of you from the videos that you put up on Instagram. And specifically, I think it was the United Healthcare guy was the first one, right? Which was really good, dude. The lyrics and the timing of it all, you captured the moment. And that song, to me, was like, yeah, that's what the fuck is going on.

Jesse Welles (1:44)

Right.

Joe Rogan (1:45)

That's what's really going on. They don't give a shit about you. And they're just trying to make money. And that's why, when this guy got shot, there was this reaction from people.

Jesse Welles (1:55)

Yeah.

Joe Rogan (1:55)

Which is very rare when someone gets assassinated when people celebrate.

Jesse Welles (1:58)

Right.

Joe Rogan (1:59)

When someone's not like a mass murderer or something.

Jesse Welles (2:01)

It was bizarre.

Joe Rogan (2:02)

It was bizarre.

Jesse Welles (2:03)

It's, I mean, it must mean something is, if people are celebrating somebody's death, something is wrong.

Joe Rogan (2:11)

And all across both sides of the aisle, it's not a political thing. It is a human thing. They're like, these people, they take your fucking money, you pay them, and then when something comes up, you don't get covered. And there doesn't seem to be any repercussions. And to fight it, you have to go to court. And you usually don't have the money to go to court. And they have a lot of fucking money. And they, you know, have been doing this for a long time. And now they're using AI to make sure that they pay less. So they're using AI to approve cases. And the numbers are even lower than they were before. So UnitedHealthcare always had a lower number than industry standard, right? Now it's even, with AI, they're going to be able to chop it down even lower. It's like, at what point in time does this become against the law? Like, at what point in time is this like, it's a con game?

Like, you're paying, you're thinking you're going to get covered, and they're like, nah.

Jesse Welles (3:09)

The system would have to be revolutionized. I mean, you can't have health for profit at that point. You'd have to socialize the medicine at some point.

Joe Rogan (3:17)

Which I agree with, up and to a point. The problem is human nature. And like, if you hurt your shoulder, and you need to get an operation on your shoulder, you want to go to a guy who does the Lakers, you know what I mean? You want to go to a guy who is like, this motherfucker is the cream of the crop. He is dialed in, he's been doing this forever, he's super focused and motivated, and he drives a fucking Mercedes, right? The reason why he drives a Mercedes, he makes a lot of money doing what he's doing. You don't want someone to not feel appreciated, not have the motivation to continue to get really great at their craft. Like there's a thing with just human beings. There's a financial motivation that people have, because it's a quantitative thing.

You could see it on a ledger. You know that you're making more money, because you're doing this, and you're working harder, and you're getting this reward, whether or not it makes sense or not. As soon as you will eliminate that, and everybody gets the same amount of money, and then you lose all the killers. You lose all the...