#2350 - Ryan Callaghan

Joe Rogan (0:03)

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Jamie (0:06)

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Joe Rogan (0:13)

Ryan Callaghan, ladies and gentlemen. We brought you in here. Hopefully, we were going to kill that public land sale deal from the big, beautiful bill, and we did it.

Ryan Callaghan (0:23)

We did it.

Joe Rogan (0:24)

Before we even got you in here.

Ryan Callaghan (0:26)

Well, I mean, we're not out of the woods yet, is the reality, yeah. I mean, I was hoping that you and I were going to team up and tee off on these sons of bitches and watch it die together. I think it's dead.

Joe Rogan (0:42)

I think it's dead.

Ryan Callaghan (0:43)

It is dead. It is dead, but we're a long way from this stuff being-

Joe Rogan (0:48)

Dead ever.

Ryan Callaghan (0:49)

Dead ever. Yeah. Exactly.

Joe Rogan (0:51)

It's got to be dead forever. That's not, it's not theirs to sell. It's very unique to the United States. It's an amazing thing that we have. And I don't think people in other countries understand this. I don't think people in America even understand how unique it is. Like our public lands, what they did when they set that up, not just national parks, but all the public lands, we created this insane resource, this beautiful resource where we can go into the mountains, into the woods and enjoy nature. And it's ours. It's all of ours.

Ryan Callaghan (1:23)

And I get, I mean, the amount of response from listeners that live outside the country and to a person, they're like, are you guys really going to screw this up? They're like, how do people not know? How do people not appreciate what you guys have? Don't turn into this country or this country or this country. Basically, any other country outside of Canada and the US.

Joe Rogan (1:48)

I think the real issue is the people in America that don't experience it and don't go there and don't know how insanely unique this situation is. I don't know how to say Chamath's last name, Polyhoptia. Is that how you say it? Even he was tweeting, this is a great deal. Sell the land and we'll make some money. What the fuck are you talking about, man? You don't understand.

This was an incredible gift that they gave us when they set America up this way.

Ryan Callaghan (2:19)

Oh, yeah.

And it's not that they need to go out and experience. They can also understand just where food comes from, right? How we get cold water and fresh water in our taps. That public resource is working on our behalf 24-7, 365, always has been and always will be as long as we don't screw it up, right? So it's not just the recreational part of it. It is, I mean, it is no different than if you want to think of it in these terms, than some, you know, one arm jacked pumping oil out of the ground. Like it is constantly working on our behalf. And it being public land needs to be intact, an intact ecosystem to do its job. And there's less and less of it every year. So, like, for instance, right, like America's grasslands, we're living, we are losing 2 million acres. And grasslands are kind of like a catch-all phrase a little bit, but it'd be like sagebrush ecosystem, short grass prairie, mixed grass prairie. But we're losing 2 million acres a year. It's the most threatened ecosystem, not just in the US, but in the entire planet. And people are like, it's just grass.

Joe Rogan (3:45)

How are we losing that?

Ryan Callaghan (3:47)

Development. Really? Well, there's development, but also encroachment of tree species. So cedars, junipers, stuff like that, working their way back out on to the prairie, to the plain. And we used to have all these natural deforesters out there, bison, that wouldn't allow those trees to grow because they like rubbing up on stuff and they'll destroy them. So, you know, millions of bison out there physically removing or preventing that tree encroachment on to the plain, those trees are sucking water out of the ground, making it more arid, more dry, water table goes down, you lose a lot of species diversification, and people just do not know, Joe. They just don't know, and they look at it and they're like, it's just grass.

Joe Rogan (4:44)

Yeah, I never knew that it was 2 million acres a year. How many acres in the United States?

Ryan Callaghan (4:49)

About 2.23 billion acres in the US.

Joe Rogan (4:54)

So that's a lot, like 2 million acres a year is a lot.