#2303 - Dave Smith & Douglas Murray

Joe Rogan (0:01)

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Dave Smith (0:12)

All right, we're up.

Joe Rogan (0:14)

Good to see you guys. What's happening? Are you going no headphones?

Douglas Murray (0:18)

Oh.

Joe Rogan (0:18)

Keep the do? I'll do that.

Douglas Murray (0:20)

I'm not quite sure what they add.

Joe Rogan (0:22)

There we go. All right. The goal of this is, every time I see people that disagree with anything that's happening, any gigantic world events, it's one of these retarded shows where their scream is the word again. We brought it. We're just talking about that. The word retarded is back, and it's one of the great culture victories that I think is spurred on probably by podcasts.

But these things are always like Pierce Morgany, which is fine, where everyone is screaming over each other, and there's five different people talking over each other. There's never just rational conversations where you discuss things. I respect both of you. I think both of you are brilliant, and I bet you agree on a lot of things, and I bet you disagree on a lot of things, and it'd be fascinating to see your perspectives on these things. So that's why you're here together.

Douglas Murray (1:16)

Okay.

Dave Smith (1:17)

Well, Douglas.

Douglas Murray (1:19)

Can I ask you something?

Joe Rogan (1:20)

Yes, sir.

Douglas Murray (1:21)

Since the war in Israel began and since the war in Ukraine began, you've had quite a lot of people who are very against both in different ways.

Joe Rogan (1:30)

Yes.

Douglas Murray (1:30)

Do you think you've had enough people on who are supportive of either war?

Joe Rogan (1:35)

I don't know that word enough, if that's a good word.

Douglas Murray (1:41)

Let's say enough people who are on the side of Israel instead of wild critics.

Joe Rogan (1:46)

Well, I've had a few. I believe God Sad is on the side of Israel.

Dave Smith (1:51)

For sure.

Joe Rogan (1:51)

Jordan is on the side of Israel.

Dave Smith (1:53)

You had Mike Baker, Coleman Hughes.

Joe Rogan (1:55)

Yeah.

Douglas Murray (1:56)

Coleman did it for like 20 minutes. It wasn't why he was here.

Joe Rogan (1:59)

No. I mean none of them is why they're here. You know, it's a good question.

Douglas Murray (2:05)

Do you think you've tilted one way?

Joe Rogan (2:09)

Me personally?

Douglas Murray (2:10)

No, no, no. Just with the guests we've had.

Joe Rogan (2:12)

Yeah. Probably more tilted towards the idea that perhaps the way they've done it is barbaric.

Douglas Murray (2:21)

But why do you think that is? I'm just interested in your selection of guests because you're like the world's number one podcast.

Joe Rogan (2:27)

Yeah. I don't think about it that way. I just think I'd like to talk to this person.

Douglas Murray (2:35)

But can I just?

Joe Rogan (2:37)

Yeah.

Douglas Murray (2:38)

Sure. Sure. If you're going to interview historians of the conflict or historians in general, why would you get somebody like Ian Carroll?

Joe Rogan (2:48)

Yeah. But Ian Carroll, I didn't bring him on for that purpose. I brought him on because I want to find out how's one get involved in the whole conspiracy theory business? Because his whole thing is just conspiracies. Sure.

Douglas Murray (2:59)

But do you have any, I mean, there's been a tilt in the conversation, both conversations in the last couple of years, and it's largely to do with people who have appointed themselves experts, who are not experts.

Joe Rogan (3:15)

You mean like Ian? I don't think he appoints himself an expert in anything.

Douglas Murray (3:18)

Who's that other dude who thinks he's an expert on Churchill? Daryl?

Joe Rogan (3:23)

Daryl Cooper does not think he's an expert.

Dave Smith (3:25)

In fact, I think it's everybody else is always calling him an expert, and he's like, I'm just a history.

Joe Rogan (3:29)

Have you ever absorbed any of his material? Have you ever consumed any of his podcasts or anything like that?

Douglas Murray (3:34)

I've tried.

Joe Rogan (3:35)

Yeah?

Douglas Murray (3:36)

It's pretty hard to listen to somebody who says, I don't know what I'm talking about, but now I'm going to talk, or I don't know about this, or I'm not capable of debating this historian, but I'm going to just tell you what I think.

Dave Smith (3:50)

Yeah, but that's not exactly what Daryl was saying. I mean, Daryl's point of view, however you feel about this, is what Daryl was saying is he doesn't really like doing debates. He likes to do long format stuff where he can really explain his position.